why are men the boss

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Yeah right, next you'll be telling me you have put those shelves up, fixed the leaky tap and learned to put the loo seat down.

Next I will be telling you that I do useful acts around my own domain/home...??? Well yes? Who wouldn't? I fix everything in my home...... Why pay extortionate(sp) prices for plumbers/electricans/builders/and so on when you can do it yourself? I installed (He says with pride) My entire kitchen/bathroom/study(computer room) and so on... It is a very good thing... The only things I didn't do alone was the installation of the windows and the conservatory... BUT, I helped OH!!! And I put up my own shed and back fence..... *nods head* Man was born to build/fix/repair..... Would you expect jesus to go and get some professionals in when he wanted some new furniture? Hells no, he'd carve himself up some wooden bed, chairs whatever... Wait... D'oh wrong faith eh..... I always leave the toilet seat down... But! Why in this situation SHOULD a man have to do that? Oh are women so freaking feeble they cannot lift a seat down?

Muslimwoman.... I bet you will be telling me next you remember to put the toilet seat up!.... Who freaking decreed that woman was lord and master of the toilet??

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Muslimwoman.... I bet you will be telling me next you remember to put the toilet seat up!.... Who freaking decreed that woman was lord and master of the toilet??

Hmmm seems most conversations lead here eventually

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Hmmm seems most conversations lead here eventually

Paladin... But can you recall? Who was it? Why do some women whine on about the freaking toilet seat...

The toilet was invented by a man.... Your toilet in your house was probally installed by a man... Maintained by a freaking man..... "Ohhh he always leaves the seat up...." *runs head first into a wall* UGH

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Muslimwoman.... I bet you will be telling me next you remember to put the toilet seat up!.... Who freaking decreed that woman was lord and master of the toilet??

Well done and no sarcasm intended, you do realise though that you are one in a few million? I managed to fit my own bathroom and tile the living room floor but I had to get 'man help' for the electricity....I'm a big girls blouse when it comes to leccy. Oh and the plastering was a man job too, I just moved it around in lumps but at least I gave it a go.

Women decreed that we are the master of the toilet. It is usually us that have to clean the damned thing and it is so yukky going to brush your teeth and that gaping great hole is looking at you reminding you what goes on over there.

[17th Angel]

My wife is awesome at DIY too...

Yeah plastering takes some time... But practice gets it niiiiice and smooth... I have always lived by doing the most I can with my own two hands... So as my wife... We are southerners... lol.. farm/country folk....

There is more self satisfaction from doing it yourself......

aaah, In my house I clean the toilet lol.... Obessed with toilet hygene...

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

My wife is awesome at DIY too...

Yeah plastering takes some time... But practice gets it niiiiice and smooth... I have always lived by doing the most I can with my own two hands... So as my wife... We are southerners... lol.. farm/country folk....

There is more self satisfaction from doing it yourself......

aaah, In my house I clean the toilet lol.... Obessed with toilet hygene...

Must be the lifestyle, my family live on an isolated Cumbrian farm. Dad has tried for years to teach me plastering and we had to eventually decide that I just didnt have the knack. I can do electricity but am too scared of the stuff, so just get the cheque book out for that one.

You clean the toilet, come on admit it you're a woman aren't you? I thought men's hearts stopped if they pick the loo brush up? Oh by the way I fitted my own loo, much to the disgust of my husband (girlies in egypt can't change a lightbulb - man work ugg).

[17th Angel]

Honestly.... I maybe a person of chaos and disorder and such... But, at home... I am fussy and everything must be right, clean and working.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Hmmm seems most conversations lead here eventually

Aye up, Paladin

Whatcha bin doin' ? Reading Lord of the Rings?

s.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

Aye up, Paladin

Whatcha bin doin' ? Reading Lord of the Rings?

s.

Hey Snoopy, good to see you. Actually you aren't far from the truth there, I have been wandering through the beginners mind, so I had nothing much to say though I have been keeping an eye on the posts here

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Hey Snoopy, good to see you. Actually you aren't far from the truth there, I have been wandering through the beginners mind, so I had nothing much to say though I have been keeping an eye on the posts here

Shunryu Suzuki? Or are you being more cryptic than that??!!

s.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Hey Snoopy, good to see you. Actually you aren't far from the truth there, I have been wandering through the beginners mind, so I had nothing much to say though I have been keeping an eye on the posts here

We seen you lurkin quietly...my son and his troop will be in your neck of the woods in a couple weeks...I bailed.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

Shunryu Suzuki? Or are you being more cryptic than that??!!

s.

Sometimes a short answer does seem cryptic, but accurate answers are tedious and I wouldn't want to hijack the thread

I may start another thread entirely to discuss where I have been


Wil:

Let the boys know they can call on me if they need anything

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

I was astonished recently to read that some women in the USA & UK are paying to have lessons in how to be a subserviant wife I accept women's lib has gone too far but please let's not go down that road again. One awful example was a British woman, who was the main breadwinner, had to cut up her bank cards and ask permission from her husband to spend money (her own money). In my view this shows that some women can see womens lib has gone too far and are trying to redress the balance but in the wrong way - perhaps women are feeling a bit lost with all this liberation they have gained for themselves?

Salaam

Women's lib gone too far? How so?

With the subservience thing, you should see some of the books that I come across when I'm hard at work organizing the mess in the Christian Non-Fiction shelves. Hooo-Daddy! And it's not just women who want to be subservient of course, it's the men that want to keep them/revert them that way. I particularly enjoy Every Woman's Battle: Discovering God's Plan for Sexual and Emotional Fulfillment. This book cracks me up. Although one of the authors is a woman, the co-author (ghost-writer?) is a man named Stephen Arterburn, who has written a whole series of winning titles on Patriarchy and Subservience in Romantic Relationships, known as The Every Man Series. You may recognize such classics as:

Every Man's Battle: Winning the War on Sexual Temptation One Victory at a Time, in which the author makes sex completely unappealing and unfun by turning into, yes that's right folks, a War.

Every Young Man's Battle: Strategies for Victory in the Real World of Sexual Temptation, in which the War comes to teenagers. Get the soldiers of tomorrow into abstinence formation!! Go ahead and click on the link to view the cover of this book. I like how the young man there has a dirty grin on his face as he checks out that teenage Jezebel's sweet ass.

Every Young Man's Battle Guide: Weapons for the War Against Sexual Temptation. Hey, didn't your guys already write this book, Stephen?

The list goes on and on and the laughs just keep coming in. Don't take my word for it, do some research and get some good chuckles. Who reads this garbage? Who are these people? Sex as War? Is nothing sacred?? Jesus Christ, they've just gone too far this time!

Oh, before I go, I wanted to share the Book Description of Every Woman's Battle with every woman who talks to men that are not her husband. Did you know that you could be having an affair and not even realize it?? Holy God in the Playboy Mansion, Catwoman!!! Get ahold of yourself.

Book description from amazon.com:

When does an affair begin? Not with the first forbidden touch…but with the first forbidden thought. Unexpectedly, you find yourself enjoying a powerful emotional bond with another man. You feel like you matter to someone again. And the door you thought was locked so firmly–the door to sexual infidelity–is suddenly ajar.

You feel like you matter to someone again?? Hell. If you've been feeling like you don't matter in your marriage/relationship, you don't need to wait around for an affair or even a strong emotional bond (God forbid that we should bond with people, Amen) to realize that you need to change something.

[Dondi]

That's funny, Pathless. I like one of the customer reviews:

flowergirl2006
"I've been looking for a book which actually can help women
with sexual temptation,but there are few.I read the book from
cover to cover and couldn't find any reference to women having
any real sexual desires for men.The theme was about "guarding
her emotions" and "not compromising"What??Nothing to help women
with actual sexual drive because the writer thinks women don't
really have the sexual drive but instead use sex to get what
they want.I found the book insulting to women,as though we are
all basically prostitutes looking for a hand out in life,
emotional fullfillment or love.Giving sex to get love was the
theme in a nutshell."

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Pathless

Women's lib gone too far? How so?

Hi Pathless

Loved the book links, thankyou. The world has now officially gone nuts.

First I'd like you to understand that 20 years ago I was that liberated woman, lost without her BMW and filofax, breaking glass ceilings all over the place. I even spent 4 years in the military. However I saw it as a life choice, career rather than family life. About 15 years ago my secretary was about to have a baby, so I asked her to put an ad out for her replacement. She was rather offended and said "I'll only be gone for 10 days, I'm having a baby not dying". I went into my office, closed the door and sat for about an hour trying to work out where the world had gone so horribly wrong. Why would a woman choose to have a baby and then immediately leave it for a stranger to bring up? Where did maternal instinct go? Who would teach the child the values required for life? How would the baby bond with it's mother? I was truly shocked and confused, is this really what womens liberation was all about. I had thought it was to give me the opportunity to vote and to make that choice.

About 8 years ago I had an argument with my best friend of many years and I vowed never to speak to her again, to date I have kept to my word. Her 13 year old daughter was very sick in hospital and she went to work. I called her and asked what she thought she was doing, to which she replied "I'm too busy to take time off at the moment, I suppose people think I shouldn't have a life of my own, I can't be a mother all of the time". This is a sensible, well educated woman and one I had thought I knew very well.

So my issues here are really about the children, how did womens liberation create an enviromnment wherein mothers became part time carers, if they could squeeze their children into their busy schedule. Personally I don't believe women can have it all because something has to give, usually the husband or children. Many women of my age that tried to have it all now admit that it was damned knackering and rather like being a duck, all grace and organisation to the public eye and mad chaotic paddling underneath. But of course they had demanded the right to have it all and would never admit, at the time, it wasn't all they thought it would be.

20 years ago, if I was talking to a woman who said "I am a housewife" all I could manage to say was "oh", I actually saw it at the time as somehow lacking in ambition. If I had known at the time how difficult and frustrating that job is I would have treated those ladies with a lot more respect.

We now see groups of young girls, drinking pints, pulling for a one night stand, fighting and swearing at passers by, having just thrown up in the nearest bush. These are some of the less attractive behaviours of young men, so why do young women feel the need to follow their example? What is it about that lifestyle that makes young women think they want to attain the same level of stupidity?

Sorry but I like being a woman, I have never wanted to be a man. I love that men watch their language when I come into a room, that men will open a door for me and it's ok for me to own 56 pairs of high heels, even though I am an excellent plumber, can fix my own car and have been the boss of 160 men. Yes I chose my career over a family but if I had had a family they would have come first. I accept the differences between men and women, men are better at some things and women are better at others so why can't we just accept this and find a happy medium where women are respected, not oppressed or treated like idiots and men are allowed to be men?


I am not suggesting women should all be bare foot and pregnant but we should choose a role and not try to have it all. I have wonderful memories of my mother, who shocked everyone when I was 13 and chose to have a part time job but she was always there for me - actually I am 42 and she still is and that is a comfort I would never want to be without.

Well that's just my opinion and observations.

Salaam