why are men the boss

[greymare]

Are there any religions out there that realise that partnerships are more important than having one person {generally the guy} as the head????? Seriously, because I just cant get the concept that because one person has an appendage between his legs that he is the boss and his word, goes. I have a JW friend and she says that they have a partnership but her husband is never wrong anyway!!!!!!!

[Tao_Equus]

Well thats JW's for you!!! Even if the daddy rapes the daughter its the wifes fault for not being a good enough 'wife'!!!
In a 'normal' relationship.....well we all know Mrs is Boss.....capital no accident.

[greymare]

i dont know about your las comment, my friend, i guess you know what you are talking about. I do know that society has place very little importance on the protection of its children or even the value of their safety and well being. Over here, some people get more of a jail sentence for car stealing than if they have indecently dealt with a child. crazy. a bullet would guarantee they wouldnt re offend

[juantoo3]

moved to b&s board by request.

[wil]

I think it is upto the people... While I am aware that folks often use the bible to keep women 'in their place' I feel it to be yet another antiquated item in today's world. And I know when we talk Islam, or Hinduism and natural law, yet again women are relegated to the back seat.

However in many a partnership this relationship is flipped on its head by a powerful woman who is perfectly willing to control from the back seat, not take the credit...but still steers the ship.

I think clearly if you define a partnership in a couple there are various things which each in their turn should take the lead based on their expertise...and often this does fall along stereotypical lines due to the way we are raised...not due to predjudices, but just due to the fact that our parents raised us similar to the way their parents raised them...and we were each in our way had more stereotypical experiences...ie more male children end up out in the yard mowing lawns and changing oil and tires and more female children end up with mom in the house cleaning and sewing...therefor as we age and find each other...one knows how to sew and the other tinkers with the car....and we end up doing the same with our children....

All generalizations I know...I know a few female motorheads, and sports fanatics, but they are not the norm....the sands of time still move slowly...women's lib and sexual freedoms only happened 4 decades ago...and to many today that is still considered the beginnning of the fall of western civilisation....

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by greymare

i dont know about your las comment, my friend, i guess you know what you are talking about. I do know that society has place very little importance on the protection of its children or even the value of their safety and well being. Over here, some people get more of a jail sentence for car stealing than if they have indecently dealt with a child. crazy. a bullet would guarantee they wouldnt re offend

Sorry my message was a bit ambiguous but is based on statements made in court by ex-JW's like this one: The sisters said they learned around the time of Berry's trial that their mother, Sara Poisson, had told church elders of the abuse while it was happening and asked for their help. Their mother testified that the elders told her to keep quiet, pray more and strive to be a better wife.
Taken from the following website : Cult Information from the Rick A. Ross Institute for the Study of Destructive Cults, Controversial Groups and Cult Movements An organisation dedicated to exposing cults for what they are.

[path_of_one]

Many neo-pagan groups incorporate goddess worship and emphasize the equal partnership and union of god and goddess or the result of their union (creation, the divine child).

Also, most liberal to moderate versions of Christianity now emphasize equality and mutual care between men and women. Look for a church that allows women pastors and deacons- it's an imperfect but decent measure of how the institution views women holding positions of authority overall, though of course congregation members will differ in their beliefs no matter where you go.

[Muslimwoman]

Hi All

One of my favourite subjects . The flippant answer is because men take the huff if you don't let them feel 'in charge'.

The reality of religion is that G-d has, repeatedly, accorded equality to men and women, according to their strengths and weaknesses but religion has always been controlled by men, so women have been kept exactly where men want them - subservient. It is men that 'interpret' the word of G-d and men that make up the rules (usually as they go along). I have no desire to be a man, to act like one or dress like one but I object strongly to the deliberate, at times, misinterpretion of the word of G-d in order to allow men to feel superior.

Salaam

[Francis king]

yes, would have to say... men are not in charge, and well, if they are, they can be overthrown by a woman proficient in judo!!

a man is only the boss if u allow him to be... having a penis does not embue you with special powers, after all...

...how emancipated women are depends soley on their position within society- a poor working class woman is far more likely to be beaten by her father and brothers for acts of defiance and contravention of socially acceptable behaviours than is a middle class affluent women whose mother reads Marilyn French... women are far more likely to be unpaid carers for their elderly and sick relatives than men are, overtly sexual behaviour in women is still frowned upon in women while tolerated in males, women in partnerships with men are still taking on responsibility for household chores even when both partners are working full time hours, women are still expected to be the ones who take time off to look after the children, etc, a woman is far less likely to be paid a comparable wage with men of the same social class and the lower down the social class u get the worse off u are, two women a week in the UK die as a result of "domestic violence", 1 in 5 women are still raped, and even the successful and rich women complain that their opinions are given less merit than their male colleagues at meetings, and even when they are captains of industry women still speak of glass ceilings and old boys tie networks, and in many professions women just don't get a look in- most films are for instance, directed and produced by men, most great literary classics are from male pens, and most sci-tech types are also blessed with a magical phallus also...

yes, and as we know, all these things are the result of women only recently becoming citizens in their own right, no longer chattel, or the weaker sex, but powerful, independent, equal citizens, yet 1928, the year of women's suffrage, was not that long ago, and it will take a few more years before the message sinks in enough for what we have been promised to actually occur- to be allowed the luxury of being equals to men...

...according to statistics, women still get the thin end of the wedge, although we are scaling that disparity incline using our stilleto's like crampons in the West, not all our sisters are so well off- unfortunately, organised religion and economic policies have a great part to play in this suppression and devaluing of women, and unless women themselves decide they've had enough men will never give it up to them, as divide and rule is a very successful strategy- if u can convince half of the population they are inferior then u only have to worry about the other half: it's only when the men realise womens issues are also mens issues and vice-versa will people become more civilised and tolerant of each other and then maybe work on things which are really important, together, and the world will be a better place, but that becomes less likely on a daily basis for some...

..it is not only "the pagans" who acknowledge a Goddess- for catholics we have a suitable outlet in the Holy Mother of God, Mary! yes, we tried to get rid of Goddess worship, ur Holiness, but we enraged the peasants... can we not allow them to give offerings to their holy wells in another way, sire..?

...history is littered with enchantresses and priestesses, and female seers, goddesses of grain, goddesses of fruits and flowers, goddesses of fertility and abundance, positive fecund goddesses, goddesses of moons, and tides, yet I think that as priests and their holy phalluses became more popular the goddesses where usurped, and the world of goddesses became the realm of demonesses and crones, willful whores of babylon and deceivers of men, and as women became filthy tainted bloody things, less than men, no longer bounteous givers of life, seductive maidens and warriors; they became mere chattel, possessions of men, and given no more value than cattle...

...was this long ago suppression of women deliberate? did millions of women really die during the witch trials? you bet they did...

moon and sun, wind, rain, earth herself, all worshipped, all given equal measure, all important to man... until the saviours came, and put us all in chains...

... yes, ooh! the mighty phallus, but without the celestial yoni a man is just an onanist...

hoho

[LeoSalinas22]

look, ladies, just run with the bull because if you don't, you are going to get the horn! no pun intended. i understand that women want to be "equal" with us men, but that just ain't going to happen. not ever! men have ruled since the creation and still rule today. just get over it. we are stronger, smarter, and faster. too bad, ok? now go make me a sandwich!

[Dondi]

I'm going to steal one of dauer's links in regard to Jewish women I thought was very interesting.

Schvach - פני דל - The Queen of Judaism

[ardenz]

women don't feel the need to drive big fast cars or have large TVs or invade countries and start wars

[LeoSalinas22]

Originally Posted by Dondi

I'm going to steal one of dauer's links in regard to Jewish women I thought was very interesting.

Schvach - פני דל - The Queen of Judaism

hey, dondi, so what does it say? my computer at work doesn't let me go to that sight. thanks, man.

[Dondi]

Leo,

Some of the blog highlights:

Originally Posted by Schvach

Halacha certainly does subordinate a wife to her husband in the matter of divorce, but otherwise, the family and home are hers, from the public doorway to the very private bedroom and everything in between. As far as I know, the wife rules the life of her family, the husband relegated to the role of a ‘gofor’. The wife, his queen, determines what is needed by her family, and hubby is obligated to come up with the cash needed to provide. The man’s central role in schul is not so much a matter of male dominance over female displacement, but rather constitutes compensation for his lack of standing in his wife’s home – his subordination to his wife’s prerogatives in the life of their family. This extends to all aspects of their shared domestic life, right into the bedroom. Work, the effort to earn one’s living, is a function of one’s family life which is directed by the wife, not the husband....


It’s the home and family that count in Judaism, the place where the queen rules. Perhaps it wasn’t until the Jewish community’s abandonment of the frum life, in favor of emulating the larger Western society, that the schul became a synagogue or temple, which were given precedence over a Jew’s life at home, where the Jewish man is subordinate to his wife, as the ‘centerpiece’ of Jewish life.

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by Francis king

...history is littered with enchantresses and priestesses, and female seers, goddesses of grain, goddesses of fruits and flowers, goddesses of fertility and abundance, positive fecund goddesses, goddesses of moons, and tides, yet I think that as priests and their holy phalluses became more popular the goddesses where usurped, and the world of goddesses became the realm of demonesses and crones, willful whores of babylon and deceivers of men, and as women became filthy tainted bloody things, less than men, no longer bounteous givers of life, seductive maidens and warriors; they became mere chattel, possessions of men, and given no more value than cattle...

moon and sun, wind, rain, earth herself, all worshipped, all given equal measure, all important to man... until the saviours came, and put us all in chains...

hoho

Agree, agree, agree, agree!! What's more is that, if you pay attention and study hard, look closely in rivers that reflect the moon, listen to animals, and get your hands dirty with Earth work, it becomes quite obvious that the Goddess energy is alive and well--potent, perhaps--gasp!!--even fecund, sensual, sexual, life-giving, and nurturing.

Not only in religion but in all aspects of life, this nurturing aspect has been undermined and rejected as "weak" for too long. It is not weak. Killing is weak. That is sad. Giving life and nurturing it is powerful, strong, potent, full of joy and love. That is what the whimpering manly men are afraid of--afraid indeed that life might take off, grab hold, and flourish. No no!!! Keep the lid on! Keep the ship controlled, tight, we might capsize and burst, spilling seed everywhere! Steer clear! Danger, danger! Don't tread on me. Don't mess with Texas. I'm bad. Must control. Discipline. Educate, instruct, drill in these timeless values passed down from the patriachs.

Chains, chains indeed.

It's okay, I bit through mine, run wild in partnership. My teeth are sharp, but I'd rather purr than bite.

--Pathess the Kitty Cat
::meow::