Why do people try to change Christianity?

[Dondi]

But that depends on what you mean by "Christianity." Does one mean the theory about the experience of Jesus? Well, then, Christianity has indeed changed. But if Christianity is the experience of Jesus itself, the one 2,000 years ago, then that has not changed. You can't change the past except through time travel.

Depends on what Jesus you are experiencing. The Mormon Jesus has you reaching for godhood, the Baptist Jesus has you having a personal relationship through Christ, the Catholic Jesus has you experiencing Jesus in the wafer of the Eucharist. I do not think they are all experiencing the same thing.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Dondi

Depends on what Jesus you are experiencing. The Mormon Jesus has you reaching for godhood, the Baptist Jesus has you having a personal relationship through Christ, the Catholic Jesus has you experiencing Jesus in the wafer of the Eucharist. I do not think they are all experiencing the same thing.

I believe that is considered a pre-supposition, based on speculation of an outside perspective...not experience.

For example, the Catholic Jesus is no different from the Baptist Jesus. Both versions lead to heaven, and are personal, intimate and real. (from experience). The Mormon view, I can't answer to, as I have no experience with it.

v/r

Joshua

edit: the difference between Baptist and Catholic views on communion, is simply symbology vs. representation. But that has nothing to do with the being called Jesus, himself.

[InLove]

Perhaps we are all experiencing Jesus through whatever experience is given through the unlimited Love of God? Just a thought....

InPeace,
InLove

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by Dondi

Depends on what Jesus you are experiencing. The Mormon Jesus has you reaching for godhood, the Baptist Jesus has you having a personal relationship through Christ, the Catholic Jesus has you experiencing Jesus in the wafer of the Eucharist. I do not think they are all experiencing the same thing.

I think I was misunderstood there. I was referring to the experience of Jesus received by the early Christians 2,000 years ago. If that is "Christianity," then that has not changed as we can't change the past.

Assertions and claims made that an individual or a group of people have captured the true meaning of "Christianity" could be said to be claims of rediscovering that experience.

The experience of those who lived 2,000 years ago is itself etched and fixed in history, but our concept of that experience has changed.

Quite obviously, the meaning of Christianity was never preserved, not by any group of Christians. I think I can confidently claim with 99% accuracy that there is no single blood line of descendents, children and grandchildren that has successfully preserved Christianity.

So what? Are we lost forever? I think not. Jesus is our invisible friend. To rediscover Christianity one must seek something invisible. There is no "true church" on the face of the earth. The true church is invisible. We are left with the challenge of rediscovering Christianity individually.

Preserving the meaning of Christianity from one generation to the next requires that one know the agenda of the one who introduced it (Christ). We cannot possibly know that agenda until we find that person. But even after rediscovering Christianity we cannot take Christianity back into the world (make it visible). Any attempt to do so will be fruitless and we will only succeed in bringing out and revealing a distorted picture of Christianity.

The best we can do is lead others to that person. He alone holds the key. Nobody can possess the key that he holds.

If I was, therefore, to state what Christianity was about, I would say that Christianity is about who holds the key.

Of course, being able to say that does not mean that I have the key. Being able to explain what Christianity means does not mean you hold the key. Rather, it means you know how to find the person who holds the key.

Legendary stuff? eh? I think Jesus is a legend (pun intended).

[mee]

Originally Posted by Saltmeister

Maybe it's not really Christianity that changes, but our perception of it.

YES , Jesus teachings do not change , but satan makes up all sorts of teachings , he is the GREAT MISLEADER.

[mee]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

In some cases... In MOST cases... No it is man that changes christianity... But then... Is it christianity? Here is a glass bowl... *Throws it on the flow and smashes it* Is that still a glass bowl? ;/ Nope, but it thas "elements" bits and peices of a glass bowl..... What am I talking about... Sorry... Listening to some strange music..

very true , it is all mixed up with false teachings .

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by mee

YES , Jesus teachings do not change , but satan makes up all sorts of teachings , he is the GREAT MISLEADER.

Come on Mee!! Let's go over to Satan's and kick his butt!

Originally Posted by mee

very true , it is all mixed up with false teachings .

[Faithfulservant]

If I was, therefore, to state what Christianity was about, I would say that Christianity is about who holds the key.

Jesus Christ is the key to Christianity

[mee]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Jesus Christ is the key to Christianity

Jesus christ also has the keys of death and hades ...............
and I have the keys of death and of Ha´des. revelation 1;18

(John 6:54) He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I shall resurrect him at the last day;

(John 11:25) Jesus said to her: "I am the resurrection and the life. He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life;

[The Jaded Fool]

Originally Posted by Dor

Why do people try to change Christianity?

Seriously if people do not like Christianity why don't people just find another religion instead of trying to carve Christianity up to fit them?

Do people do it constantly to Islam and Judaism and I just do not see it?

I mean the Bible and Christ are about the only 2 things Christianity has right?
Well if people do not want to believe those then how can they even call themselves Christians?

Where would you draw the line on using that classification?

I have been casually reading over this post for the last week or so... It has been interesting reading to say the least... lol...

But as I read the title and the openning post again today... something very simple struck me... and I laughed at myself for not realizing it earlier...

What is this post really about?? Which of the hundreds of variations of Christianity are we or you or they trying to change... We all are guilty sometimes of thinking that we have thought of something new and innovative... when actually it has been thought many times before...

If Dor is speaking of his flavor of christianity... then perhaps he should ask someone who disagrees with his point of view why they think what they think... However from my perspective perhaps I should ask Dor why he/she is trying to change christianity...

I at one time thought that I KNEW what REAL chrsitianity was... and I thought that everyone that disagreed was just wrong... they misunderstood... they were not practicing the REAL thing... and therefore were trying to change it...

But today... I really do not know... I do know that I choose to follow LOVE... I do not claim to have the ansers... But I have questions... =)

Peace to you all... no matter how much you are trying to change MY christianity... JK hehe

Peace & Love

[wil]

Namaste Jeaded...

Yes, I've been re-reading too....

And the contemplation I ended up with was a similar end with a slight twist...

Why does Your Christianity want to change me and mine?

Yes we all claim or think we belong to the Christianity that Jesus taught...

funny that.

[The Jaded Fool]

Originally Posted by wil

Namaste Jeaded...

Yes, I've been re-reading too....

And the contemplation I ended up with was a similar end with a slight twist...

Why does Your Christianity want to change me and mine?

Yes we all claim or think we belong to the Christianity that Jesus taught...

funny that.

Bingo...

You mean I could have said that with one sentence... grrr... I am such a noob...

Peace

[wil]

I just reread again.. you actually said it, now I'm the noob, and I don't even know what that is (ah noo-b I get it)

Originally Posted by The Jaded Fool

Peace to you all... no matter how much you are trying to change MY christianity... JK hehe

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by The Jaded Fool

I have been casually reading over this post for the last week or so... It has been interesting reading to say the least... lol...

But as I read the title and the openning post again today... something very simple struck me... and I laughed at myself for not realizing it earlier...

What is this post really about?? Which of the hundreds of variations of Christianity are we or you or they trying to change... We all are guilty sometimes of thinking that we have thought of something new and innovative... when actually it has been thought many times before...

If Dor is speaking of his flavor of christianity... then perhaps he should ask someone who disagrees with his point of view why they think what they think... However from my perspective perhaps I should ask Dor why he/she is trying to change christianity...

I at one time thought that I KNEW what REAL chrsitianity was... and I thought that everyone that disagreed was just wrong... they misunderstood... they were not practicing the REAL thing... and therefore were trying to change it...

But today... I really do not know... I do know that I choose to follow LOVE... I do not claim to have the ansers... But I have questions... =)

Peace to you all... no matter how much you are trying to change MY christianity... JK hehe

Peace & Love

Obviously something wasnt ringing true with "Your" Christianity given the name you chose to be known by.
According to your posts you seem to be searching for the truth for you.. People like me and Dor know we have the truth and dont need to search for it. The mere strength of our conviction that THE Spirit of Truth reveals ALL truth to whom He wants is enough for us to know that its the only truth and the rest is a lie.

All we can do is read the bible and live by it and listen for Gods voice.

A song keeps coming to me... Awesome song btw

Which Jesus do you follow?
Which Jesus do you serve?
If Ephesians says to imitate Christ
Then why do you look so much like the world?

Cause my Jesus bled and died
He spent His time with thieves and liars
He loved the poor and accosted the arrogant
So which one do you want to be?

Blessed are the poor in spirit
Or do we pray to be blessed with the wealth of this land
Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for righteousness
Or do we ache for another taste of this world of shifting sand

Cause my Jesus bled and died for my sins
He spent His time with thieves and sluts and liars
He loved the poor and accosted the rich
So which one do you want to be?

Who is this that you follow
This picture of the American dream
If Jesus was here would you walk right by on the other side or fall down and worship at His holy feet

Pretty blue eyes and curly brown hair and a clear complexion
Is how you see Him as He dies for Your sins
But the Word says He was battered and scarred
Or did you miss that part
Sometimes I doubt we'd recognize Him

Cause my Jesus bled and died
He spent His time with thieves and the least of these
He loved the poor and accosted the comfortable
So which one do you want to be?

Cause my Jesus would never be accepted in my church
The blood and dirt on His feet would stain the carpet
But He reaches for the hurting and despised the proud
I think He'd prefer Beale St. to the stained glass crowd
And I know that He can hear me if I cry out loud

I want to be like my Jesus!
I want to be like my Jesus!

Not a posterchild for American prosperity, but like my Jesus
You see I'm tired of living for success and popularity
I want to be like my Jesus but I'm not sure what that means to be like You Jesus
Cause You said to live like You, love like You but then You died for me
Can I be like You Jesus?
I want to be like my Jesus

-Todd Agnew

[Dor]

Originally Posted by The Jaded Fool

However from my perspective perhaps I should ask Dor why he/she is trying to change christianity...

Actually I am not trying to change anything. If its biblical then it is fine. All the added on stuff others can keep. And the original point of this post was because at the time we were having lot of posts about people that want to change Christianity. Like John Shelby Spong for instance.