Why do people try to change Christianity?

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

What was Christianity like fresh out of the mouth of Jesus?

maybe like those red words i see in my bible.

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

Excellent points. And like...before any of the Gospels or Paul's letters were written...

I think that you're right on two counts. No denomination today is exactly like it and I don't think God is going to fail us for doing things a bit differently today.

luna

We would have exactly the scriptures that Jesus used but with Jesus having fulfilled the 300+ messianic prophecies..

I disagree with the last bit though.. Your wording actually.. How can a sovereign God fail us? He gave us everything we need.. the written word and the Holy Spirit of God and both point us to Jesus Christ.

Mark 4:14 The sower sows the word.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

maybe like those red words i see in my bible.

ROFL that was the perfect thing to say!

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

We would have exactly the scriptures that Jesus used but with Jesus having fulfilled the 300+ messianic prophecies..

I disagree with the last bit though.. Your wording actually.. How can a sovereign God fail us? He gave us everything we need.. the written word and the Holy Spirit of God and both point us to Jesus Christ.

Mark 4:14 The sower sows the word.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Hi Faithful,

I was following and extending a bit on this comment by Juan: "Maybe G-d forsaw all of this, and allows each of us a little leeway in accord with what we know and understand." I don't think God judges us like it's a test and whoever believes in just the right way 'passes' and everyone else is 'failed.' As Juan said, I think God gives us a lot more leeway than that. Grace.

Sorry if the wording was poor.

luna

[Prober]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Dor!

Interesting question.

Of course, if we are going to be honest with this line of thought, shouldn't we carry back to the source? What was Christianity like say about 50 or 60 AD? Before the Protestant reformation, before the Catholic schisms, before the Council of Nicea that legalized the Christian faith in the pagan world of the Roman Empire, before the Gnostics and Aryans and heresies, before the destruction of the Jewish Temple at Jerusalem? What was Christianity like fresh out of the mouth of Jesus?

This is where I've been trying to project myself to understand the reaction of the people of the time to Jesus and comparing with the reaction of Israel to God.

I believe Jesus expounded God's word as it always was from the beginning and always will be. I don't think God's word changes (as He has said). And I certainly don't want to add to His words or take anything away.

My dad used to say "if you try to be pretty good, you'll be mediocre but if you try to be excellent, you might end up pretty good".

I've thought it might be interesting to take just "those red words" and see what they say. I'll bet there would be no conflict with any of God's words in the OT.

Maybe the term "Christian" gets in the way sometimes. Maybe God always just wanted us to be "God People" and sent Jesus as an example. And now we get hung up on the term "Christian".

[Prober]

Originally Posted by Dor

Hmmm 1000 yrs ago Christ was still God and the same books were in the Bible.
I do not see many problems for me.

No problem for me, either.

I enough faith in God's abilities to believe that He could inspire whom He wished to write what He wished and could inspire those later to choose just the books necessary to benefit those who would read for the next thousands of years and then to inspire them as they read to hear His words as He intended them to be heard in the first place!

[Francis king]

lol, pseudo-knowledge, tis a bit mean... ... my lil nuggets came from the history of the catholic church... if u have a look for urself, u'll see it plain as day... check juantoo's post, s/he points it out too... I won't hold it against u, though, u being a meanie... takes all sorts.....

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Dor

Why do people try to change Christianity?

Seriously if people do not like Christianity why don't people just find another religion instead of trying to carve Christianity up to fit them?

Do people do it constantly to Islam and Judaism and I just do not see it?

I mean the Bible and Christ are about the only 2 things Christianity has right?
Well if people do not want to believe those then how can they even call themselves Christians?

Where would you draw the line on using that classification?

For the same reason we try to change everything else. To make it better. Not God Himself, perse but our understanding of Him and our relationship with Him. Granted some wish only to destroy the relationship in any way possible, but most simply wish a better relationship, so we come up with ideas that we think are an improvement over the old ways.

Right, wrong or indifferent, it is a fact.

v/r

Joshua

[shadowman]

boy beating those slaves sure makes me feel good!

[Dor]

Originally Posted by shadowman

boy beating those slaves sure makes me feel good!

And this added exactly what to the discussion?

[moseslmpg]

What have people been trying to change Christianity from? The Nicene Creed?

[Dor]

Originally Posted by moseslmpg

What have people been trying to change Christianity from? The Nicene Creed?

Lets see everything in the Bible.

[cavalier]

Originally Posted by Dor

Lets see everything in the Bible.

Which interpretation?

[shadowman]

Originally Posted by Dor

And this added exactly what to the discussion?

the paradox. society has and does change interpretations of the bible...

why this isnt the only thing

there are countless preachers giving the wrong mesage. entire congregations doomed forhell.

its strange that the only thing that dooms or saves people is tHEIR OWN ACTIONS AND UNDERSTANDINGS

its also strange that god lets people who think they are doing the right thing do the wrong thing


all the real preachers should start excommunicating all the bad pastors and have a one god one pastor business becuase things are looking bad!

[Dor]

Originally Posted by cavalier

Which interpretation?

Well question if someone does not believe the Bible or believe in Christ then why call themself a Christian?