Why do people try to change Christianity? - Page 6

17th Angel · 11-13-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RevKelly

17th Angel,

Here's a little something that might make things make more sense about the Bible.

1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

That would include any verse in the Bible. There are over 300 inconsistencies in the Bible. I have wondered if they are there intentionally just to see if we can get 1 Thessalonians 5:21 right. It's shown me that Chastity is wrong. Chastity turns you away from Love; therefore, it turns you away from God. Which makes the Catholic Priests dead in the water. That one has always bothered me. Gee, let's take the people that believe in God most and turn them into non-breeders. Yeah, right, that makes sense. This coming from the country that spawned the Mob.

You'll notice that the only Book in the Bible that says not to change a word of it is Revelation.

Peace,

Kelly

You a real "rev" or is that just part of your handle.

Saltmeister · 11-13-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 17th Angel

You a real "rev" or is that just part of your handle.

Let's not be judgmental.

Dondi · 11-13-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

But they call themselves Baptists and Christians...one black eye coming up...

And David Koresh called himself Christ. What's your point?

RevKelly · 11-13-2006, 05:10 PM

I'm an ordained Reverend of the Universal Life Church. For some strange reason, that seems to make people think I know a lot. But I'm learning just like everyone else. Which is why I won't accept the Doctorate in Divinity from the ULC.

Peace,

Kelly

Quahom1 · 11-13-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RevKelly

17th Angel,

Here's a little something that might make things make more sense about the Bible.

1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

That would include any verse in the Bible. There are over 300 inconsistencies in the Bible. I have wondered if they are there intentionally just to see if we can get 1 Thessalonians 5:21 right. It's shown me that Chastity is wrong. Chastity turns you away from Love; therefore, it turns you away from God. Which makes the Catholic Priests dead in the water. That one has always bothered me. Gee, let's take the people that believe in God most and turn them into non-breeders. Yeah, right, that makes sense. This coming from the country that spawned the Mob.

You'll notice that the only Book in the Bible that says not to change a word of it is Revelation.

Peace,

Kelly
P.S. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 if applied to the actions of a human is a non-mathamatical theorem to determine right and wrong actions. Here's an example:

Love is Good True or False
Hate is Good True or False
Joy and Happiness are Good True or False
Misery and Despair are Good True or False
Mercy and Compassion are Good True or False
Cruelty and Malice are Good True or False
Patience is Good True or False
Outrage is Good True or False
Courage is Good True or False
Terror is Good True or False

I believe this is how Jesus saw Truth from False. Apply the same to the Bible and you have the Answer.

Ohhh kay. Not cool. because someone decides to forgoe something for the glory of God, does not make that person "dead in the water".

Maybe for you it isn't right. But for them, it is fine. And God honors that.

Worry about the board in your own eye...

p.s are we learning yet?

Saltmeister · 11-13-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondi

"The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple." - Psalm 19:7

"For the word of the LORD is right and true; he is faithful in all he does." - Psalm 33:4

"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever." - Psalm 119:60

"I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name." - Psalm 138:2

Question: Is that a statement about the Bible or God's word and authority?

To me there's a difference.

Let me start by defining God's word as about what God authorises and ordains. God is the entity that ordains. The Word is the act as well as the expression of ordaining and authorising.

I would agree that the Bible was ordained by God, but I would say that the Bible is not the act of authorising and ordaining, but merely the expression of it.

So the Bible isn't exactly the "Word of God" in the sense that it is merely the expression of authorisation and ordainment, not the act of authorisation and ordainment.

The act of authorising and ordaining something could include two things:

1) You want or mean something
2) You express that you want or mean something

My thinking leads me to say that the Bible's purpose is the second component of the Word of God. It is not the whole Word of God but a part of it. The Bible is the expression of the Word, not the whole act, or "manifestation" of the Word.

In simple terms, the Bible is the expression, not the manifestation of God's word. That allows the Bible's contents to be true even though it isn't perfect because the expression doesn't have to be perfect. It's the manifestation that's perfect.

The question is, though, where's the manifestation? Where else? I take it to be in Jesus Christ!!!

Bible = expression of the Word of God
Christ = manifestation (the Son) of the Word of God
Bible + Christ = act of authorisation and ordainment (Word of God)

That's at least my theory. Hopefully it makes sense . . .

RevKelly · 11-13-2006, 05:37 PM

I've been learning a lot on this board.

But as far as the Catholic Priests go, they can forgo something all they want. It's only themselves that will keep them from God. Their loss, I guess. I personally don't believe that only virgins will make it to Heaven. I mean, since when has a virgin felt the love for another human being that isn't stagnant. Unrequited love is pretty harsh on the Psyche. Brings about depression and disappointment.

Just my opinion,

Kelly

Quahom1 · 11-13-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RevKelly

I'm an ordained Reverend of the Universal Life Church. For some strange reason, that seems to make people think I know a lot. But I'm learning just like everyone else. Which is why I won't accept the Doctorate in Divinity from the ULC.

Peace,

Kelly

Pleased to meet you Reverend. I'm a bonified sinner, who happens to be a "Catholic" military man with an attitude, that I strive to keep in check. In this case though I'll make an exception. I would suggest you back up a bit, read more and talk less.

You might learn from the heathens here so forth.

wise is the man who listens to fools...he knows what not to say.

Quahom1 · 11-13-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RevKelly

I've been learning a lot on this board.

But as far as the Catholic Priests go, they can forgo something all they want. It's only themselves that will keep them from God. Their loss, I guess. I personally don't believe that only virgins will make it to Heaven. I mean, since when has a virgin felt the love for another human being that isn't stagnant. Unrequited love is pretty harsh on the Psyche. Brings about depression and disappointment.

Just my opinion,

Kelly

My mother is not a virgin...but she is heaven bound.

17th Angel · 11-13-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

You might learn from the heathens here so forth.

wise is the man who listens to fools...he knows what not to say.

lol.. There is always something to learn from everyone...

Also a wise man can see wisdom in every word.. :P

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Originally Posted by RevKelly

I'm an ordained Reverend of the Universal Life Church. For some strange reason, that seems to make people think I know a lot. But I'm learning just like everyone else.

I know you are, just like everyone else.. I was just curious to see if you really used reverend as a title or just handle.

Quahom1 · 11-13-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 17th Angel

lol.. There is always something to learn from everyone...

Also a wise man can see wisdom in every word.. :P

I know you are, just like everyone else.. I was just curious to see if you really used reverend as a title or just handle.

...and in every deed.

mee · 11-13-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Mark 9:
"47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where

‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’[a]"

False teaching?

the accurate word here is
Ge·hen´na not hell-fire.accurate understanding about what this word Ge-hen-na means leads to accurate understanding about the bible and what it teaches.

Symbolic of Complete Destruction.

Quahom1 · 11-13-2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Saltmeister

Question: Is that a statement about the Bible or God's word and authority?

To me there's a difference.

Let me start by defining God's word as about what God authorises and ordains. God is the entity that ordains. The Word is the act as well as the expression of ordaining and authorising.

I would agree that the Bible was ordained by God, but I would say that the Bible is not the act of authorising and ordaining, but merely the expression of it.

So the Bible isn't exactly the "Word of God" in the sense that it is merely the expression of authorisation and ordainment, not the act of authorisation and ordainment.

The act of authorising and ordaining something could include two things:

1) You want or mean something
2) You express that you want or mean something

My thinking leads me to say that the Bible's purpose is the second component of the Word of God. It is not the whole Word of God but a part of it. The Bible is the expression of the Word, not the whole act, or "manifestation" of the Word.

In simple terms, the Bible is the expression, not the manifestation of God's word. That allows the Bible's contents to be true even though it isn't perfect because the expression doesn't have to be perfect. It's the manifestation that's perfect.

The question is, though, where's the manifestation? Where else? I take it to be in Jesus Christ!!!

Bible = expression of the Word of God
Christ = manifestation (the Son) of the Word of God
Bible + Christ = act of authorisation and ordainment (Word of God)

That's at least my theory. Hopefully it makes sense . . .

So, the Bible (word of God) is not expressed until man opens the pages...that about right?

Kind of like keeping God in a box...don't open the lid, and God don't get out...

Quahom1 · 11-13-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

the accurate word here is
Ge·hen´na not hell-fire.accurate understanding about what this word Ge-hen-na means leads to accurate understanding about the bible and what it teaches.

Symbolic of Complete Destruction.

Ge hen' na is a trash pit that burns constantly Mee. That is a fact. It is a disgusting place. Nothing good comes from it.

mee · 11-13-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Ge hen' na is a trash pit that burns constantly Mee. That is a fact. It is a disgusting place. Nothing good comes from it.

yes thats right ,and only the dead were thrown into there, and when Jesus spoke about Gehenna his listeners knew just what he was referirng too. when the dead bodies of criminals were thrown in there because they were not worthy of a burial , they were destroyed for good , but if they landed on the ledge the worms would eat them and they would rot away . teaching wrong things about the symbol of total destruction is not a good thing to do . as it makes the God of love out to be bad . false teachings down through time turn people away from the God of love .