Why do you believe in YOUR religion - Page 13

Alex P · 08-02-2008, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Which brings us right back to religion and man...

we seek what we need to be the "man" we are, in this universal existence. And once we find it, we "religiously" fight to keep it...make sense now?

Love what ya did there... Nice, nice.

Quahom1 · 08-02-2008, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex P

Love what ya did there... Nice, nice.

For those that disagree..."Check"...lol

Nick_A · 08-02-2008, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Which brings us right back to religion and man...

we seek what we need to be the "man" we are, in this universal existence. And once we find it, we "religiously" fight to keep it...make sense now?

Yes, this is what a man does. However to be a Man requires something else.

Alex P · 08-02-2008, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick_A

Yes, this is what a man does. However to be a Man requires something else.

Not really lol... There is nothing else needed... Unless you buy into the advertising worlds and movie industry and so on... Where men have to be these figures chisled from stone or iron or something And have the "right look" and "right attitude" lol... Where a man can wrestle to the ground two crocidiles one in each arm choking them to death with his bulging biceps! Or then you have the "oldie" traditions where the man HAS to be the one that is the provider... Does all the work and the woman looks after the kdis and does girly things like cooking and cleaning and so on... "Real" men do that too.... THIS IS SPART AH!!!! OOO AH!!! I normally say to people yeah fine that's your opinion and tend to blank it and not disagree but this subject I can't help but say I disagree cause when you are born a boy... A male... You grow and you then in your adult years -no matter- what are then a man.

cyberpi · 08-02-2008, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick_A

I could think I was a pretty good chess player and if I lived in a community with bad chess players and I win my games, it would be logical to conclude I was a good player.

Chess then is a game played for a win-lose. A more challenging game is played for a win-win. I submit that would be regardless of how good the players were.

Nick_A · 08-02-2008, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex P

Not really lol... There is nothing else needed... Unless you buy into the advertising worlds and movie industry and so on... Where men have to be these figures chisled from stone or iron or something And have the "right look" and "right attitude" lol... Where a man can wrestle to the ground two crocidiles one in each arm choking them to death with his bulging biceps! Or then you have the "oldie" traditions where the man HAS to be the one that is the provider... Does all the work and the woman looks after the kdis and does girly things like cooking and cleaning and so on... "Real" men do that too.... THIS IS SPART AH!!!! OOO AH!!! I normally say to people yeah fine that's your opinion and tend to blank it and not disagree but this subject I can't help but say I disagree cause when you are born a boy... A male... You grow and you then in your adult years -no matter- what are then a man.

So a Man for you is a reactive physical body responding to societal standards and pressure.

I agree these are varieties of men; but what is a MAN?

Alex P · 08-02-2008, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick_A

So a Man for you is a reactive physical body responding to societal standards and pressure.

I agree these are varieties of men; but what is a MAN?

I like to keep things simple... Cause in essence... They are, a man is an adult male human nothing more nothing less lol...

But, lets ask you that question, Nick, what is a man? What do you have to have to be a man?

Nick_A · 08-02-2008, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex P

I like to keep things simple... Cause in essence... They are, a man is an adult male human nothing more nothing less lol...

Yes, and a pianist is a piano player that imagines himself a pianist.

Men can imagine themselves as a MAN and piano players can imagine themselves as pianists. Imagination is a mixed blessing.

Quahom1 · 08-02-2008, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

Chess then is a game played for a win-lose. A more challenging game is played for a win-win. I submit that would be regardless of how good the players were.

Don't play chess then, because a stale mate or a default is a lose lose. With the enemy still viable, for the next game...but then, you knew that.

Quahom1 · 08-02-2008, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick_A

Yes, this is what a man does. However to be a Man requires something else.

Really? What exactly does it take to be a Man? I am very curious about this train of thought.

Let me rephrase the question: What can YOU possibly teach ME, to be a man?

Nick_A · 08-02-2008, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Really? What exactly does it take to be a Man? I am very curious about this train of thought.

Let me rephrase the question: What can YOU possibly teach ME, to be a man?

I can't teach you. I have enough trouble with it myself.

The difference between a pianist and a piano player and a pianist is that the Pianist is master of his instrument while the piano player is very limited in his abilities.

A MAN is master of himself while men are reactive creatures. A man must be able "to be" master of himself before becoming a MAN. But we don't know what this means since we are so caught up with being men.

The first thing to experience is that we are not masters of ourselves and rather creatures of conditioned reaction so if we are honest, we admit that we are idiots in comparison to our conscious potential. Before becoming a MAN you must first experience and verify that you are an idiot.

Quahom1 · 08-02-2008, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick_A

Yes, and a pianist is a piano player that imagines himself a pianist.

Men can imagine themselves as a MAN and piano players can imagine themselves as pianists. Imagination is a mixed blessing.

What a man imagines is the potential of what he can become. Thoughts beget actions beget results...

Unlike the beasts of the earth, Man can accomplish anything he sets his mind to, even if it goes diametrically opposed to nature. ISS comes immediately to mind, as does Armstrong walking in moon dust...lol

Quahom1 · 08-02-2008, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick_A

I can't teach you. I have enough trouble with it myself.

The difference between a pianist and a piano player and a pianist is that the Pianist is master of his instrument while the piano player is very limited in his abilities.

A MAN is master of himself while men are reactive creatures. A man must be able "to be" master of himself before becoming a MAN. But we don't know what this means since we are so caught up with being men.

The first thing to experience is that we are not masters of ourselves and rather creatures of conditioned reaction so if we are honest, we admit that we are idiots in comparison to our conscious potential. Before becoming a MAN you must first experience and verify that you are an idiot.

A Piano player is to me, a "pianist" in the making. Just give him/her a bit of time.
We are ultimately masters of ourselves, once we realize we are at the head of our own ship.

We can try and steer, or we can ask for help, but it is still our ship...we control.

Quahom1 · 08-02-2008, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick_A

I can't teach you. I have enough trouble with it myself.

In short, you can't walk in my shoes, nor I in yours, because the experience would kill us both.

You can't tell me how to be a man, because you don't know how to be a man, from my perspective, nor do I know how to be a man from yours.

That is the base fact.

Religion, however, gives us both some sort of equal footing to work with, hence build a neighbor, and then a neighborhood, and then a street, and then a village...and through it all we keep meeting on a regular basis, to affirm our beliefs, and to test our mettle on each other to make certain we are ALL complying in a basic standard that the "society" can function on.

Morally, legally, civilly.

Vajradhara · 08-02-2008, 05:05 AM

Namaste Sherry,

thank you for the post.

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So, my question to you is this..

What moves you so deeply inside about your chosen relgion?

i'm a being that believes in being responsible. i'd go so far as to characterize my view as advocating radical personal responsibility. insofar as i can realize it this is precisely the point of view which the Buddha Dharma takes and emphasizes and one of the reasons why is resonates so harmoniously with me.

i'm also a very compassionate person to my personal detriment on occasion, Buddha Dharma advocates the extending of compassionate concern towards all sentient beings, insects, animals and space aliens (if they exist) and teaches how to expand ones compassion to encompass the mass of sentient beings which i find suits my personality.

i suspect, like most beings, it is a sense of inner conviction arising from the affirming experiences which i've had.

metta,

~v