why does god punish flawed creatures that he made forever - Page 6

Faithfulservant · 07-17-2007, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Who the hell is killing babies? I got two grand kids on the way, last thing I want to hear is people killing babies.

Congrats Grandpa

wow 2 at one time.. you must have done something very right.. That why you've been MIA? passing out the cigars a little early??

Faithfulservant · 07-17-2007, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Who the hell is killing babies? I got two grand kids on the way, last thing I want to hear is people killing babies.

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Originally Posted by Silent Dave

If God's will was for you to kill innocent babies, would you do so? (And don't bother saying that God would never do such a thing, for that neccesitates a certain knowledge of God's thoughts, which according to Pico is impossible to have.)

He did it.. not me!

Quahom1 · 07-17-2007, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Congrats Grandpa

wow 2 at one time.. you must have done something very right.. That why you've been MIA? passing out the cigars a little early??

Yeah, I prayed like hell that heaven would bring them both home in one piece to make me a grandpa...got my wish (lol)

Faithfulservant · 07-17-2007, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Yeah, I prayed like hell that heaven would bring them both home in one piece to make me a grandpa...got my wish (lol)

Sounds like a miracle to me

Quahom1 · 07-17-2007, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Sounds like a miracle to me

Eh, no. that was nature. The miracle is that they both came home walking on both legs.

Thank God, they are home.

Faithfulservant · 07-17-2007, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Eh, no. that was nature. The miracle is that they both came home walking on both legs.

you know what I meant..

Quahom1 · 07-17-2007, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

you know what I meant..

Yeah.

shadowman · 07-17-2007, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pico

Look, you've been asking the same question over and over again. This is the truth as God himself revealed to us in his word:

God made us perfect. We disobeyed God willingly (all of us). God said that disobeying him warrants us death and separation from him by sinning. Everyone sinned and deserves damnation because of our own actions. Jesus (God himself who created us) stepped in and took the punishment for all of us. Anyone who asks for forgiveness with a sincere heart is granted it and cleansed from their sin. Anyone who doesn't suffers the consequences: separation from God in hell. God has to judge sin because that's his nature. God does not want anyone to go to hell so he provided a free way out, but sadly some people don't accept his gift, and they suffer the consequences for their actions.

I've said this countless times and you say God is obsessed with damnation, but it's really YOU who's obsessed with damnation. God wants every one to live with Him. But he can't make them choose.

The choice is yours. I've made mine.

how is it that perfect beings disobeyed god. they must have been imperfect... dont you see?

why is it gods nature to judge sin? who benefits from this jusdgement

what does that mean?

whats the point

why doesnt god give people in hell second chances?

shadowman · 07-17-2007, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

He has a way out...care to test the theory?

v/r

Q

sure

shadowman · 07-17-2007, 05:30 AM

if god doesnt want people in hell, why did he make hell. and dont say for the devil and his angels. thats BS. people are gonna go to hell and god knows it. why doesnt he do anything about it?

Quahom1 · 07-17-2007, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

how is it that perfect beings disobeyed god. they must have been imperfect... dont you see?

why is it gods nature to judge sin? who benefits from this jusdgement

what does that mean?

whats the point

why doesnt god give people in hell second chances?

Dude, to be perfect means you have the capacity of being imperfect. You have it all!

What you do with what you got, is up to you! As man, we mucked up and chose the imperfect. It wasn't God who chose, it was man...

Silent Dave · 07-17-2007, 05:31 AM

You know, Pico, for a supposedly omnipotent being your god certainly has a lot of restrictions placed on his capabilities -- he HAS to do this, he HAS to do that, he CAN'T do this, he CAN'T do that, etc. I'm wondering what the precise biblical basis is for all of these restrictions.

I'm also wondering how you can call such a limited being God with a straight face.

Quahom1 · 07-17-2007, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

sure

Good!

Trust God. Don't trust self. say you're sorry, and ask for help from God. Then be quiet and listen for instructions. Oh, and read about God...you can find His story in a book I heard of, oh right, they call it the "Bible". Start with John 1:1 but start with John 3: 16 first...

It will break your heart.

Take care man.

v/r

Q

Silent Dave · 07-17-2007, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

He has a way out...care to test the theory?

You do realize that a test works both ways, right?

That is, if shadowman gets on his knees and prays sincerely for forgiveness -- or whatever it is you says he has to do -- and nothing happens, then that would prove your theory wrong. Are you willing to give up your Christianity if the test is negative?

Silent Dave · 07-17-2007, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Good!

Trust God. Don't trust self. say you're sorry, and ask for help from God. Then be quiet and listen for instructions.

How long should he wait, and what form will these instructions take?