Why is Christianity loosing the cultural war ?

[citizenzen]

Originally Posted by soleil10

Citizenzen, do you have a wife and children ?

• wife
• no children
• 6 cats

Originally Posted by Avi1223

The thing that really bothers me about this thread is that you [soleil10] are doing your bashing more subtly, more steathily, in the dark, behind the scenes.

Avi, you think soleil10 is being subtle and stealthy?

[Avi]

Originally Posted by citizenzen

Avi, you think soleil10 is being subtle and stealthy?

Yes, CZ, I think Soleil is being subtle and stealthy. You watch, if Soleil responds to my comments at all, he will deny that he is homophobic and a gay basher. He will tell us that he is just doing what the Bible tells him.

I have read enough OT and NT to know that neither book condones hatred of homosexuals. Furthermore, phobias usually run in packs (like rats) and I suspect there are other ones there as well.

[soma]

People drive by churches everyday and live where they can see the steeples pointing to a Higher Power, but they don't go to church because they are sick of being told about God and what He dislikes. They want to know the Divine and not the negative mental projections of some uptight person with the gnawing vacuum of emptiness. People want to connect with God and His love and not just hear facts about God from someone who does not know God personally and thinks he/she knows what God dislikes. The people who have a relationship with God are pure and enlightened with love. These people have the temper of a Divine Life that extols a fervor and love that goes beyond that which can be expressed by the tongue. Christianity is loosing the cultural war because church leaders can't or are not satisfying the hunger for God and a Higher Power. They rant and rave about trivia that makes people bitter without love. Normal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:99.25pt 85.05pt 85.05pt 85.05pt; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} -->Their words irritate the mind that wants to know God.

[citizenzen]

Originally Posted by soma

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God is CSS? Now that's a religion that I can get behind!

[bob x]

I can see why those words might irritate the minds that want to know God.

[soleil10]

Originally Posted by Avi1223

Soleil, I have been reading through this thread and I am getting that creepy feeling again. So I have a few questions (and comments) for you:1) What does interfaith dialogue mean to you ? Does it mean gay bashing ?

Hi Avi. I am open to to other religions beside my own beliefs. I did study some Islam and Buddhism with an Imam and a tibetan lama. I like to understand the common points and difference between religions.
Initially, before the human fall, God did not plan to create religion.
The only institution, he created is the family.
Interfaith dialogue does not mean gay bashing. If you look at my initial post, you can see that clearly.

Originally Posted by Avi1223

) Are you a homophobe ? I thought one thread was bad enough, now I see we have another one here.

I do not know what other thread you are talking about. Homophobe is a tactical word used to shame people that do not agree with homosexuality. It is part of the strategy to silence people.

Originally Posted by Avi1223

) Do you consider yourself a "Fundamentalist" ? I think you are baseless.

I do not know what you mean by the label fundamentalist. My concern is about the human right of children.

Originally Posted by Avi1223

) The thing that really bothers me about this thread is that you are doing your bashing more subtly, more steathily, in the dark, behind the scenes.

?

Originally Posted by Avi1223

) I do not like the way you use the term "homofascist".

Well, I think that it has to be exposed big time and brought to light.

[citizenzen]

Originally Posted by soleil10

Homophobe is a tactical word used to shame people that do not agree with homosexuality.

Likewise, Homofascist is a tactical word used to shame people that do agree with homosexuality.

You don't seem too bothered using that "tactical word".

Are you one of those, "can dish it out, but can't take it" types?

[Avi]

I did study some Islam and Buddhism with an Imam and a tibetan lama. I like to understand the common points and difference between religions.

Soleil, just out of curiousity are you originally from Iran or one of the other Muslim countries in the Middle East ?

I think it is good that you are interested in the common points and differences between religions. When you identify these differences between religions how do you think they should be dealt with ? Do you think we should create laws to make sure that the population obeys the Biblical laws for family purity ?

Originally Posted by Avi1223
Are you a homophobe ?

Soleil:

Homophobe is a tactical word used to shame people that do not agree with homosexuality. It is part of the strategy to silence people.

When you talk about "people that do not agree with homosexuality", can you please explain what you mean ? Do you mean that you do not believe homosexuality exists ? I remember last year when Ahmadinejad of Iran said that in his country homosexuality does not exist and I am wondering if that is the perspective that you are coming from.

Or do you mean that we should not give homosexuals equal rights ?

Or do you have another meaning for "do not agree with homosexuality" ?

My own view of how to deal with homophobia is to educate homophobics not to silence them. However, the first step in education is learning how to listen.

[soleil10]

Originally Posted by Avi1223

Soleil, just out of curiousity are you originally from Iran or one of the other Muslim countries in the Middle East ?

no

Originally Posted by Avi1223

think it is good that you are interested in the common points and differences between religions. When you identify these differences between religions how do you think they should be dealt with ? Do you think we should create laws to make sure that the population obeys the Biblical laws for family purity ?

God inspired religions at different time periods and adapted to different culture.
I consider religions like a family.
Buddhism is like the mother (compassion), Islam is like the father (rewards and punishment), Christianity is like the child (love and miracle), Judaism is like the grand parents (tradition). We are still waiting for the parent religion.

Societies reflect the religions and cultures of an area. In democracy, there is a consensus based on the people voting. The people vote on all kind of things.
A society is going to prosper or decline based on its values.
From experience, we know that sex out of marriage has a lot of consequences. The breakdown of the family is costing $billions every year. America's values are changing (especially during the last 50 years.) We are now declining rapidly even if still many people are in denial and hope for the best. We need to ask ourselves why. Politicians are not doing it. They just want more money to create more programs that often do not work

Freedom without responsibility ends up as slavery. America now is becoming dependent of other countries. We are broke.

Originally Posted by Avi1223

you talk about "people that do not agree with homosexuality", can you please explain what you mean ? Do you mean that you do not believe homosexuality exists ? I remember last year when Ahmadinejad of Iran said that in his country homosexuality does not exist and I am wondering if that is the perspective that you are coming from.

Homosexuality, promiscuity, adultery etc exist since the human fall.

Originally Posted by Avi1223

do you mean that we should not give homosexuals equal rights ?

Homosexuals have equal rights. They can marry. Redefining or hijacking marriage is a complete different issue. They should call it something else or they should refund every married couple their marriage licence and a new name for marriage should be created.
Forcing other people to change their world view and the meaning of their life is un-American. It is homofacism. It does not respect other. It violate equality itself.

Originally Posted by Avi1223

do you have another meaning for "do not agree with homosexuality" ?

Homosexuality and heterosexuality is like oil and water. They are opposite. I think homosexuality is totally sexist and reject the other half of humanity. Anyway, you are going to accuse me of gay bashing so I will stop here

Originally Posted by Avi1223

own view of how to deal with homophobia is to educate homophobics not to silence them. However, the first step in education is learning how to listen.

You know what I think of homophobia already.

I am open to listen.

[Avi]

Quote Soleil

From experience, we know that sex out of marriage has a lot of consequences. The breakdown of the family is costing $billions every year....

...freedom without responsibility ends up as slavery. America now is becoming dependent of other countries. We are broke.

Are you suggesting that our economic problems are due to homosexuality ? You have got to be kidding.

How about lack of controls on our banking system for the last 12 years ? What about producing cars that are not competative ? Please, you are looking more like gay bashing than the simple homophobe that I thought you were.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avi1223
do you mean that we should not give homosexuals equal rights ?

Quote Soleil,

Homosexuals have equal rights.

You have to be kidding again. You have obviously never known a homosexual otherwise you would not say this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avi1223
do you have another meaning for "do not agree with homosexuality" ?

Quote Soleil

I think homosexuality is totally sexist and reject the other half of humanity. Anyway, you are going to accuse me of gay bashing so I will stop here

What ?? By your reasoning all heterosexuals are also sexist because they also reject the other half of humanity. This is ridiculous illogic

Accuse you of gay bashing ? Why would I possibly do that ?

I was going to show you some data that indicates that homosexuality is genetically predisposed and not simply a choice, but Soleil, I am going to stop discussing this with you. I do not think I will be able to affect your thinking one iota.

Peace.

[Avi]

Oh, and before you ask, I have a wife and kids, but not as many cats as CZ.

I just like to fight for equality for all minorities . Isn't that what G-d wants ?

[citizenzen]

Originally Posted by Avi1223

I just like to fight for equality of all minorities .

In other words, a homofascist.

Avi, don't you realize how unfair it is to force others to live amongst gays?

[Avi]

Originally Posted by citizenzen

In other words, a homfascist.

Avi, don't you realize how unfair it is to force others to live amongst gays?

Or amongst all those cats

By the way, CZ, are you sure your cats are heterosexual ?

Or are they homofelines ??? Or do you think Soleil is felineophobic too

[soleil10]

Originally Posted by citizenzen

Likewise, Homofascist is a tactical word used to shame people that do agree with homosexuality.
You don't seem too bothered using that "tactical word".
Are you one of those, "can dish it out, but can't take it" types?

By the way,Citizen, I use the word homofacism as an ideology.

You are pushing the word homofacist. I dont

[soleil10]

Originally Posted by Avi1223

Quote Soleil
Are you suggesting that our economic problems are due to homosexuality ? You have got to be kidding.
How about lack of controls on our banking system for the last 12 years ? What about producing cars that are not competative ? Please, you are looking more like gay bashing than the simple homophobe that I thought you were.

If you read my post, I have included many causes to the breakdown of the family. You are trying to monsterize me into someone that fit your template. You absolutely want to use the I am a victim syndrome.

Originally Posted by Avi1223

have to be kidding again. You have obviously never known a homosexual otherwise you would not say this.

Here again, I spoke about equality in the context of access to marriage. Your are twisting my words.

Originally Posted by Avi1223

?? By your reasoning all heterosexuals are also sexist because they also reject the other half of humanity. This is ridiculous illogic

Your are grasping for straws here. Marriage is the only union under the law that bring each half of humanity together. Within marriage, a man and a woman can procreate their own children as the fruit of their love and raise them within the commitment and responsibility of marriage as their own father and a mother. It it needed for the greater good of society. Many counties understand that and want to protect marriage. As the family goes, so the nation.

Originally Posted by Avi1223

you of gay bashing ? Why would I possibly do that ? .I was going to show you some data that indicates that homosexuality is genetically predisposed and not simply a choice, but Soleil, I am going to stop discussing this with you. I do not think I will be able to affect your thinking one iota. Peace.

The APA who has been misleading Americans for so long had to admit recently that they had no prove that homosexuality was genetic. It was all over the news.

AVI, Peace to you too