Why is it hard for Christians to accept Mohammad? - Page 2

Seeker_of_truth · 11-10-2006, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by aburaees

lol yeah, I know what you mean... the point is not to make a public show out of prayer. Maybe I should have listed the one about "vain repetition" instead. A lot of Muslims fail to 'personalize' their prayers and just churn out set-formulas that are repeated time and time again.

But seriously, the main reasons that Christians will reject Muhammad are that Jesus is "the way, the truth, and the life, nobody comes to the father except through me (him)"; and Jesus is mankinds saving grace, a ransom paid to buy back for mankind the perfection that was lost by Adam.

Islam rejects these two major articles of Christian belief, and would thus be seen by Christians to be the antichrist 'in spirit'.

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Originally Posted by aburaees

For that to bear any weight with Christians or Muslims:
1. Jesus (and the other prophets) would have to be on record as saying that he (they) would return as Muhammad; or
2. Muhammad would have to be on record as claiming to be the return of all prophets.

Since none of the prophets claimed they'd return as Muhammad, and since Muhammad never claimed to be the return of all prophets, I'm having difficulty seeing your point...

Are you a Bahaii?

If I am not mistaken Muhammad did say that he was the return of all the prophets.
Yes I am Baha'i.
Thanks for the reply

aburaees · 11-10-2006, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Seeker_of_truth

If I am not mistaken Muhammad did say that he was the return of all the prophets.
Yes I am Baha'i.
Thanks for the reply

Thank you. As a Muslim, I haven't come across this particular saying of Muhammad, I would be interested in knowing where I can find it.

I would say Christians reject Muhammad for the same reason that Jews reject Christ, Muslims reject Bahaullah, and Bahaiis reject Rael. The 'general' reason is that each 'new' prophet did not meet the 'expectations' of those who would later reject them. They continue to look for someone else who "fits the bill".

It's interesting though, that Jesus was the first 'major' rejected figure in Abrahamic religion... just think of the long line of Israelite prophets who are all still accepted by Jews today.

17th Angel · 11-10-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by farhan

Actually muslims do accept Jesus Christ, they just consider it hard to accept Jesus G-d, or Jesus The Only Begotten Son Of God.

Thats like saying.... Christians accept Mohammed... Just as some bloke.

Quahom1 · 11-10-2006, 04:02 PM

Why is is hard for Christians to accept Mohammad as a prophet?

Let us consider:

JESUS or MUHAMMAD
Jesus’ name means God is Savior, Immanuel-God with us as our Savior.
Mohammed's name means praised one
Jesus: Born about 4 BC. in Bethlehem Born of the Virgin Mary Isa.7:14 had no earthly father Mt.1
Muhammad: Born of Aminah In 570 A.D. in Mecca
Jesus: Raised by Mary His mother and Joseph, His adopted father .
Muhammad: Raised by his mother, Halima the nurse, then his uncle and grandfather
Jesus: Prophesied by more than 300 scriptures for his first coming, fulfilled them all including Deut.18:15
Muhammad: Muslims believe Mohammed is prophesied as the Comforter. And the prophet of Deut.18:15
Jesus: Labored as a carpenter like his stepfather in Nazareth
Muhammad: His father was named Abd Allah after Allah. Started as a shepherd then became a camel-caravan leader
Jesus: Spoke in Hebrew, Aramaic, and probably Greek
Muhammad: Spoke only Arabic, Muslims say he was illiterate
Jesus: Was literate, but wrote no books. He directly commissioned his dedicated followers to write and preach his message
Muhammad: Was literate/illiterate; and wrote the Quran or as some say others heard his sayings and wrote them down as well.
Jesus: Attracted multitudes by His teaching of God affirming the OT. Taught openly to multitudes as one having authority
Muhammad: Attracted multitudes by his teaching and by the sword forcefully overthrowing the worship of multiple Gods.
Jesus: Miracles and healing’s were given freely, he healed all kinds of diseases.
Muhammad: The Koran is his miracle. Did no miracles of healing or delivering people from demons.
Jesus: Moved to Capernaum because of rejection by His townspeople and brothers and sisters
Muhammad: Had to move to Medina because of rejection by his townspeople
Jesus: Was never married
Muhammad: Married to at least fifteen wives one of which was only 9 years old at the time.
Jesus: Lived a sinless life, never once prayed for forgiveness like other sinners, he forgave others.
Muhammad: Prayed often for forgiveness of his sins as did all the prophets in the OT and NT.
Jesus: Waged no war, said his kingdom was not of this world so his followers should not fight
Muhammad: Was a warrior who waged war by fighting or leading in sixty-six battles to spread his message of monotheism
Jesus: Ordered the death of no one but instead died in place of the guilty.
Muhammad: Ordered the death of many men and women (the first was a poetess) to promote the message of monotheism
Jesus: Established a religion of truth, mercy and love even for enemies, invites all to come to him.
Muhammad: Established a monotheistic belief system,an earthly empire teaching all must obey the teachings of the Koran.
Jesus: Established a relationship with God and a spiritual kingdom not of this world that will last forever with him as the ruler.
Muhammad: Established a religion of God being compassionate and merciful to the obedient but there are no guarantees for anyone.
Jesus: Died by crucifixion for others in Jerusalem at age 33 being innocent of any crime.
Muhammad: Died in Medina due to effects of pneumonia at age 62
Jesus: Arose from the dead the third day just like he predicted, emptying His tomb, promises to raise everyone else and judge them.
Muhammad: Still lingers in his grave awaiting the Day of Judgment by Jesus
Jesus is mentioned in the Quran 97 times
Muhammed is mentioned in the Quran 25 times
Jesus: Old Testament predicts His 2nd coming in more Scriptures than his first
Muhammed had only self fulfilling prophecy, nothing in the Old Testament predicted his coming.
Jesus: Over 2,500,000,000 claim to be His followers are known for their dedication, love, and caring for others. Building hospitals feeding the poor and helping to educate people all over the world showing the compassion of God.
Muhammad: 1,200,000,000 billion are followers who are dedicated, zealous and still use force if necessary against non Muslims in their land where Islam is the countries religion.
Jesus: Christ prophesied of the end of the age and what it would be like when he comes again. Jesus: The Old and New Testament will be fulfilled by his 2nd coming.
Muhammad: There is no teaching on Mohammed coming back again to rule or reign.

In short, One God perhaps, but the message Jesus gives and the message Muhammad gives are worlds apart.

17th Angel · 11-10-2006, 04:11 PM

Nice celtic crest avatar Q

That comparison list certainly makes one "shine" more than the other... lol

9 year old wife? Thats, just, wrong.....

Quahom1 · 11-10-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Nice celtic crest avatar Q

That comparison list certainly makes one "shine" more than the other... lol

9 year old wife? Thats, just, wrong.....

Trinity...

17th Angel · 11-10-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Trinity...

That's what it means is it?

Quahom1 · 11-10-2006, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 17th Angel

That's what it means is it?

among other things.

BlaznFattyz · 11-10-2006, 05:22 PM

nice comparison, i always like to see them so people can see the factual differences and make educated decisions of what is truly right and wrong.

Caimanson · 11-10-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by farhan

Actually muslims do accept Jesus Christ, they just consider it hard to accept Jesus G-d, or Jesus The Only Begotten Son Of God.

That is exactly the bottom line, if you accept Mohammed's teachings you are clearly devaluing Jesus Christ, isn't that obvious?
On the other hand, if Jesus was the final prophet and messiah, where does that leave Mohammed?

Quahom1 · 11-10-2006, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Caimanson

That is exactly the bottom line, if you accept Mohammed's teachings you are clearly devaluing Jesus Christ, isn't that obvious?
On the other hand, if Jesus was the final prophet and messiah, where does that leave Mohammed?

Out in the cold...

BlaznFattyz · 11-10-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Caimanson

That is exactly the bottom line, if you accept Mohammed's teachings you are clearly devaluing Jesus Christ, isn't that obvious?
On the other hand, if Jesus was the final prophet and messiah, where does that leave Mohammed?

in the desert?

Dor · 11-10-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Caimanson

That is exactly the bottom line, if you accept Mohammed's teachings you are clearly devaluing Jesus Christ, isn't that obvious?
On the other hand, if Jesus was the final prophet and messiah, where does that leave Mohammed?

If I answered that ? from my fundamentalist mentality Id get in trouble.

Quahom1 · 11-10-2006, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

in the desert?

See, there is where we differ...

Your "bleak" and mine are different, but mean the same.

arthra · 11-11-2006, 04:51 PM

So Quahom I was wondering how you came to the following conclusion in your Jesus or Muhammad post #19 above:

"Jesus is mentioned in the Quran 97 times
Muhammed is mentioned in the Quran 25 times"

- Art