Why so much hatred toward Orthodox Baha'i/Covenant breakers?

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings.

As to "discussing" those declared covenant-breakers by the House, what's to say? We hope and pray they'll mend their ways and request reinstatement.

And Kiwi, your statement is grossly misleading: those who raised the online ruckus were not declared covenant-breakers (though some irresponsible Baha'is may have wrongly implied this), and most if not all of them left the Faith at their own initiative, not through any sort of expulsion.

Nor, to refute the thread title, do Baha'is "hate" anyone! Mere smear tactics.

Just the facts.

Peace,

Bruce

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by kiwimac

Of course we will not talk about those who have left the faith and then been declared covenant breakers by the UHJ or those who used to post on the Talisman e-list who were removed from voting lists and declared covenant-breakers for expressing opinions over the internet. will we?

Kiwimac -- former Baha'i (no, not a covenant-breaker)

Talisman was not banned, it was not a Baha`i list in any manner. Dr. Cole actually, resigned from the faith, he was never declared a covenant breaker. He may have felt coerced, he seems to say so, but the resignation was his. Talisman still exists to the best of my knowledge, I even participated for about six months. I did however, find the behavior of some of the moderators (other than Dr. Cole) to be acidic and hateful. One of those has since denied Baha`u'llah was the rightful successor to the Bab, largely re-created the Bayani's and claimed to be He Whom God Shall Make Manifest.

A few individuals were indeed dis-enrolled, but they were not declared covenant-breakers. Only the House has the authority to do either.

As to Dr. Cole, he is an admirable scholar and I read his provisional translations eagerly. As to his differences with the House, I leave him to do the explanations. He is quite capable.

Regards,
Scott

[arthra]

Yeh.. I posted on Talisman for awhile and had discussions with Cole, Ian Kluge and others.

Dr. Cole left the Faith on his own and it was more the case that he resented having his published Baha'i material under review which every Baha'i knows about. No one declared him a "Covenant Breaker".

- Art

[kiwimac]

I was not specifically talking about Juan Cole.

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by kiwimac

I was not specifically talking about Juan Cole.

I understand that, but Juan Cole was the founder of Talisman. Who were you thinking of from talisman being declared a covenant breaker?

Regards,

Scott