Why Was Paul's Teaching More Acceptable?

[wil]

Originally Posted by bob x

Aside from Lincoln, Edison, Sanders, etc. there are millions of people in history who tried all kinds of things, over and over again, all their lives, and never had one thing end up right.

Namaste Bob,

You are making it plain that you wish to wallow. I will be here when you change your mind.

If you feel the world is out against you, and things will never change. You are correct.

If you believe the world is evolving consciously every day and just has ebbs and flows and you may just be ahead of the curve in some regards. You are correct.

The difference is what you choose to believe. I cannot not make that choice, your future is contingent on you, not me, and not the populace. You can choose to believe whatever you'd like. But you cannot choose the consequences of your choice.

This is what I choose to believe.

[bob x]

Yes I know, I'm just feeling very tired. More of my life has passed by than still remains and I am still waiting for the good part to start. Can I love someone, who loves me back? Can I work on a project, and have it finish successfully? Other people have those things happen to them, don't they?

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by bob x

Yes I know, I'm just feeling very tired. More of my life has passed by than still remains and I am still waiting for the good part to start.

Hey maybe changing a whole political system is just too ambitious a task -- ie. going to the top of a hierarchy to change things. Probably too confrontational.

If hard power fails, maybe you should try soft power. You could try planting seeds in people, sending really subtle messages and signals to people that may indirectly change things. Perhaps you could find people who support your cause. Get to know them and allow them to get to know you. Build a whole network. You gotta be good with people. Gotta connect with them.

Soft power is harder to measure than hard power, but it's probably easier to make progress by soft power. With hard power you either win or lose. With soft power, you might be gaining some ground but not know it.

Originally Posted by bob x

Can I love someone, who loves me back? Can I work on a project, and have it finish successfully? Other people have those things happen to them, don't they?

What's your current profession? What do you need? A job? Capital?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by bob x

Yes I know, I'm just feeling very tired. More of my life has passed by than still remains and I am still waiting for the good part to start. Can I love someone, who loves me back? Can I work on a project, and have it finish successfully? Other people have those things happen to them, don't they?

You don't know that. As far as you (scientifically) know, your human body is designed to live for 120 years...so the need is to get the mind and spirit in line with the body's capacity...that's how I look at things.

So you might fall short, but you won't be bored...

v/r

Q

[bob x]

What do you need? A job? Capital?

Money woes don't help, but I told you what I need: to love and be loved; or to have a sense of accomplishment about something I do. I am not so greedy as to ask for both. But I need something, anything to make feel enthused, rather than whiny, about getting out of bed in the morning.

As far as you (scientifically) know, your human body is designed to live for 120 years...

You don't have to be much of a statistician to know that the human body on average lasts for a far shorter time, which is fine by me.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by bob x

Money woes don't help, but I told you what I need: to love and be loved; or to have a sense of accomplishment about something I do. I am not so greedy as to ask for both. But I need something, anything to make feel enthused, rather than whiny, about getting out of bed in the morning.

You don't have to be much of a statistician to know that the human body on average lasts for a far shorter time, which is fine by me.

I believe that is based on "human" interference...

As far as being loved...sometimes being told you are screwing up is a way of being told you are loved...

...after all, if you weren't cared about, no one would say anything at all...

[bob x]

"You don't have to be much of a statistician to know that the human body on average lasts for a far shorter time, which is fine by me.
I believe that is based on "human" interference..."
No, that's what happens naturally. It takes considerable human interference to preserve the human body for longer periods.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by bob x

"You don't have to be much of a statistician to know that the human body on average lasts for a far shorter time, which is fine by me.
I believe that is based on "human" interference..."
No, that's what happens naturally. It takes considerable human interference to preserve the human body for longer periods.

Who said anything about statistics Bob? I said the body is "designed" to last 120 years. It takes effort to make it that far because of our life styles and environement "naturally" cuts it short. But that is not the way it is supposed to be. Try reading what is written instead of what you want to see.

[bob x]

What you said was that "scientifically" we could see that. What we can actually see is that systems start shutting down in the forties and fifties, and that it is typical for the body to die by 70 or 80, regardless of lifestyle or environment. You may have a private belief that it is supposed to last longer, but that is not supported by anything we see.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by bob x

What you said was that "scientifically" we could see that. What we can actually see is that systems start shutting down in the forties and fifties, and that it is typical for the body to die by 70 or 80, regardless of lifestyle or environment. You may have a private belief that it is supposed to last longer, but that is not supported by anything we see.

No, actually I got it from the New England journal of medicine as well as other research papers, and articles with references explaining how the conclusion for mans full life expentancy was determined to be 120 years:

Mitochondrial membrane peroxidizability index is inversely related to maximum life span in mammals -- Pamplona et al. 39 (10): 1989 -- Journal of Lipid Research

Life Span, Aging, LIfe Extension and Life Expectancy

Could People Live to 120?

[bob x]

Your first link is to an article which mentions 122 years as the "maximum" (the longest that any human has ever been confirmed as having lived), which is something that any given person has only one chance out of a few billion to duplicate. Your second is a site trying to sell you stuff by preying on your wishful thinking. Your third hypothesizes that humans could be changed so that the former maximum becomes average, by serious manipulations away from what we see in nature.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by bob x

Your first link is to an article which mentions 122 years as the "maximum" (the longest that any human has ever been confirmed as having lived), which is something that any given person has only one chance out of a few billion to duplicate. Your second is a site trying to sell you stuff by preying on your wishful thinking. Your third hypothesizes that humans could be changed so that the former maximum becomes average, by serious manipulations away from what we see in nature.

and you failed to read more by looking up the references provided. I also failed to note the villages of Okinawa who have quite a group of centinarians running around in full bloom of their health (about 5000 I believe...) The rest are still alive too, they just haven't hit 100 yet.

I simply gave examples. If you wanted you could follow up to find out for your self what the community of science has to say. And please note, I never brought up Wikipeda (lol)...

[China Cat Sunflower]

How about those Indy Colts missing that chip shot field goal against San Diego? Amazing! The Cards are 4 and 5. Maybe they'll have a .500 season this year. That would be a welcome improvement.

Chris

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

How about those Indy Colts missing that chip shot field goal against San Diego? Amazing! The Cards are 4 and 5. Maybe they'll have a .500 season this year. That would be a welcome improvement.

Chris

Doesn't that still keep the Colts in second?

[China Cat Sunflower]

Yeah, and they're still a good team. Manning is getting older, though.

Chris