Why We Need a Savior

[Silas]

OK, then do I understand correctly that you believe that you are a believer, and a member of the Body?

Yes.

So, anything you think about the Bible is correct interpretation.

No. I dont understand eschotology.

God has given you this authority.

God teaches all His own.

Anyone who disagrees with your interpretation is, consequently, not a believer?

If you're talking about salvation issues here, then yes. There are certain core essentials that one must believe to be named a Biblical Christian.

How did you get to be a believer?

That's the question! I was not at all looking for God, but instead trying to be a rich man with many woman like king Soloman. Then, one night out of the blue, I was internet surfing and came across Kirk Camron preaching a sermon called "Soundly Save." He spoke about God's holiness, man's need for a Savior, repentance and faith in Christ, and Jesus' sacrifical death to save anyone who would trust in Him. I ended up listening to the whole thing and thinking to myself, "Oh, this is what Christanity is about." Prior to that I had thought I was a Christian. Thats how I became a believer - I heard the gospel. It was just like the Bible said it would be. "The gospel was the power of God unto salvation," for me.

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Silas

OK, then do I understand correctly that you believe that you are a believer, and a member of the Body?

Yes.

So, anything you think about the Bible is correct interpretation.

No. I dont understand eschotology.

God has given you this authority.

God teaches all His own.

Anyone who disagrees with your interpretation is, consequently, not a believer?

If you're talking about salvation issues here, then yes. There are certain core essentials that one must believe to be named a Biblical Christian.

How did you get to be a believer?

That's the question! I was not at all looking for God, but instead trying to be a rich man with many woman like king Soloman. Then, one night out of the blue, I was internet surfing and came across Kirk Camron preaching a sermon called "Soundly Save." He spoke about God's holiness, man's need for a Savior, repentance and faith in Christ, and Jesus' sacrifical death to save anyone who would trust in Him. I ended up listening to the whole thing and thinking to myself, "Oh, this is what Christanity is about." Prior to that I had thought I was a Christian. Thats how I became a believer - I heard the gospel. It was just like the Bible said it would be. "The gospel was the power of God unto salvation," for me.

OK, so Kirk Camron is also an authority for you.

How do you know that Mother Teresa is not saved?

[Silas]

OK, so Kirk Camron is also an authority for you.

No. He's just a sinner saved by grace, like me. I think he's a cool guy though!

How do you know that Mother Teresa is not saved?

Honestly, I dont! I do know, however, that if her solteriology was wrong, that is to say, she didnt believe in the core essentials of the faith (and from what I read, it didnt appare that she did), she isnt in Heaven.

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Silas

OK, so Kirk Camron is also an authority for you.

No. He's just a sinner saved by grace, like me. I think he's a cool guy though!

Then why did you believe his interpretation of the Bible?

How do you know that Mother Teresa is not saved?

Honestly, I dont! I do know, however, that if her solteriology was wrong, that is to say, she didnt believe in the core essentials of the faith (and from what I read, it didnt appare that she did), she isnt in Heaven.

Why would her salvation theology be wrong and yours right? I'm certain she heard the Gospel, was baptized, etc. I'm certain she professed Christ as Lord. What's wrong with her beliefs that would leave her 'unsaved?'

[wil]

Originally Posted by Silas

she isnt in Heaven.

Is anyone?

[Silas]

Then why did you believe his interpretation of the Bible?

Because, his, like mine, is the interpretation of the disciples, apostles, and early church throughout the ages.

Why would her salvation theology be wrong and yours right?

Cause I say so. Just kiddin'! No seriously, because I have the same interpretation of Classic and historic Christanity.

I'm certain she heard the Gospel, was baptized, etc. I'm certain she professed Christ as Lord. What's wrong with her beliefs that would leave her 'unsaved?'

None of that is what saves a person. The only things that will surely save is Repentence and Faith (in the true Biblical Christ). It is not by works, not by baptizing, not by profession of faith, not by piety, not by believing upon your own version of Jesus, but by Repentance (turning from living your own way, even if your way is moral, and turning to live for God and His ways and the way He says Live), and then Faith, which is to say to believe upon Christ. True faith in Christ can be compared to a man who says to God, "Look, I am not coming to Heaven any other way but by Christ alone. If you count my own righteousness as worthy, I dont want Heaven. If you forgive me because you are pleased to, I dont want Heaven. I only want it on the grounds that Christ lived a perfect life, died a perfect sacrifice, and rose to justify His claims." Something like that. That's faith.

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Silas

Then why did you believe his interpretation of the Bible?

Because, his, like mine, is the interpretation of the disciples, apostles, and early church throughout the ages.

How do you know this? Is this interpretation recorded somewhere? By whom?

Why would her salvation theology be wrong and yours right?

Cause I say so. Just kiddin'! No seriously, because I have the same interpretation of Classic and historic Christanity.

How do you know this? Where is this interpretation recorded. The Catholic Church, which Mother Teresa was part of, is founded by the disciples, apostles, and early church. If you think they are wrong about something...when did they go wrong? The church is guided by the Holy Spirit, and the apostles were appointed to lead the faithful. The Catholic Church is based on this foundation...if they went wrong, when, where, how? And, who, at that time, picked up the pieces to record the "true" understanding that you now have?

I'm certain she heard the Gospel, was baptized, etc. I'm certain she professed Christ as Lord. What's wrong with her beliefs that would leave her 'unsaved?'

None of that is what saves a person. The only things that will surely save is Repentence and Faith (in the true Biblical Christ). It is not by works, not by baptizing, not by profession of faith, not by piety, not by believing upon your own version of Jesus, but by Repentance (turning from living your own way, even if your way is moral, and turning to live for God and His ways and the way He says Live), and then Faith, which is to say to believe upon Christ.

The Catholic Church teaches repentence and faith (of course!) too. So, why wouldn't she be saved?

True faith in Christ can be compared to a man who says to God, "Look, I am not coming to Heaven any other way but by Christ alone. If you count my own righteousness as worthy, I dont want Heaven. If you forgive me because you are pleased to, I dont want Heaven. I only want it on the grounds that Christ lived a perfect life, died a perfect sacrifice, and rose to justify His claims." Something like that. That's faith.

I'm still not understanding what about Mother Teresa's beliefs would keep her from being saved. See the quote provided by InLove. She had faith in God, gave all the glory to God, lived for God.

[InLove]

Originally Posted by Silas

None of that is what saves a person. The only things that will surely save is Repentence and Faith (in the true Biblical Christ). It is not by works, not by baptizing, not by profession of faith, not by piety, not by believing upon your own version of Jesus, but by Repentance (turning from living your own way, even if your way is moral, and turning to live for God and His ways and the way He says Live), and then Faith, which is to say to believe upon Christ. True faith in Christ can be compared to a man who says to God, "Look, I am not coming to Heaven any other way but by Christ alone. If you count my own righteousness as worthy, I dont want Heaven. If you forgive me because you are pleased to, I dont want Heaven. I only want it on the grounds that Christ lived a perfect life, died a perfect sacrifice, and rose to justify His claims." Something like that. That's faith.

So, once a person has done all of this, Silas, what is next?

InPeace,
InLove

[Silas]

How do you know this? Is this interpretation recorded somewhere? By whom?

Yes, actually. They are recorded by Historians and church fathers. You can find out this basic stuff online. Do a google search and see what the early saints believed from the 1st century to now. Compare and contrast what we differ on, as far as nonessential issues.

The Catholic Church, which Mother Teresa was part of, is founded by the disciples, apostles, and early church. If you think they are wrong about something...when did they go wrong? The church is guided by the Holy Spirit, and the apostles were appointed to lead the faithful. The Catholic Church is based on this foundation...if they went wrong, when, where, how? And, who, at that time, picked up the pieces to record the "true" understanding that you now have?

Actually, no. There are a lot of things to consider here, too much to write. But again, I'll say this: The Catholics went wrong went they left the essentials of the faith and adhered to pagan Roman customs, and other things. This went on for a very long time until the Reformation came about in the mid-ages. Prior to that, however, there were people who contended for the truth, like the anabaptist, and others.

The Catholic Church teaches repentence and faith (of course!) too. So, why wouldn't she be saved?

Alot of people say that. The JWs, for instance, teach that as well. But, only God knows who has truely repented and truely trust in Jesus (because He gives those gifts to those He saves). I gave you an example of what it means to trust Christ.

I'm still not understanding what about Mother Teresa's beliefs would keep her from being saved. See the quote provided by InLove. She had faith in God, gave all the glory to God, lived for God.

The diffrence is not in what she said, but what she believed and lived. Sure, she said she did work to God's glory and believed in Christ. But, was her faith in the Christ of the Bible? Was it the Christ who said that without me, no one will be saved? It couldnt be, since mother Teresa believed that a person didnt need Christ alone to be saved. Make sense yet? This Christian road is very hard and narrow. Only few find it.

[Silas]

Originally Posted by InLove

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So, once a person has done all of this, Silas, what is next?

InPeace,
InLove

Whats next is a hard road of being conformed into the image of Christ. It is difficult, rough, stressful, painful, joyful, and glorious!

[wil]

Originally Posted by Silas

But, only God knows who has truely repented and truely trust in Jesus .

Only G-d and Silas that is. As I've seen you on many occasions tell us who is and isn't a Christian and who is and isn't in Hell.

[Silas]

Originally Posted by wil

Only G-d and Silas that is. As I've seen you on many occasions tell us who is and isn't a Christian and who is and isn't in Hell.

Show me, please.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Silas

Show me, please.

Seriously?

[Silas]

yeah. I'd like proof that I judged people and said they were going to hell. I want the link so I can see it in context.

[wil]

If Mother Theresa isn't in heaven, where have you placed her?