witnessing to a JW - Page 2

wil · 12-30-2006, 11:54 PM

Would we accept the title to a thread to be Witnessing to a Catholic? or a Methodist? or a Born Again?

How is it that we consider this acceptable?

mee · 12-31-2006, 12:23 AM

after discussing the various miraculous gifts—prophesying, speaking in tongues, healing, and so on—that God had given various members of the first-century Christian congregation, the apostle Paul was inspired to say: "Whether there are gifts of prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will be done away with. For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially; but when that which is complete arrives, that which is partial will be done away with."—1 Corinthians 12:28-31; 13:8-10.
Since no one today performs cures as Jesus did, are we at a disadvantage? Not at all. Actually, those healed by Jesus eventually could become sick again. They all grew old and died. The healing benefits they received were relatively short-lived. Yet, Jesus’ miraculous cures have lasting meaning in that they foreshadowed future blessings.
the main objective of Jesus’ ministry was not to heal the sick and perform other miracles. Rather, he made the preaching of the good news of God’s Kingdom his main work. (Matthew 9:35; Luke 4:43; 8:1) That Kingdom is the means by which God will accomplish the miraculous healing of mankind and undo all the damage that sin and imperfection have wreaked upon the human family.
Can you imagine what life will be like when the miraculous healing of mankind comes true? "No resident will say: ‘I am sick.’ The people that are dwelling in the land will be those pardoned for their error." Yes, God will accomplish what faith healers could never do. "He will actually swallow up death forever." Indeed, "the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will certainly wipe the tears from all faces."—Isaiah 25:8; 33:24.

Quahom1 · 12-31-2006, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by wil

Would we accept the title to a thread to be Witnessing to a Catholic? or a Methodist? or a Born Again?

How is it that we consider this acceptable?

Been there, done that...

Faithfulservant · 01-01-2007, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by wil

Would we accept the title to a thread to be Witnessing to a Catholic? or a Methodist? or a Born Again?

How is it that we consider this acceptable?

lol this is funny.. I dont show up for days and this happens..

this thread was started by me. It actually happened.. I didnt do it to offend you I didnt do it to offend mee... I did it to share what happened to myself when I tried to witness to a JW...

all mee does on here is try to witness to us.. but because you want to play the devils advocate role you are castigating me for posting what i posted..

so wil do me a favor and hush yourself..

thanks

cyberpi · 01-01-2007, 10:44 PM

So, does anyone think there are words to witness a fundamental to an alledged fundamentalist?

17th Angel · 01-02-2007, 09:37 AM

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Ok. .so my boss is a JW.. I love the guy Hes hispanic and hispanic guys make me laugh because of their machismo.. So we goof around a lot.. Hes married to a beautiful woman who has been very sick for the past 10 years.. Its a strange thing because she is sick with the very thing that killed my dad when he was 39 and she is also 39 yo

So I ask him if he believes in miracles.. which he says no.. he said that there are no more miracles.. so I tell him some of the miracles Ive seen lately one of which is a healing of an incurable disease.. he said that he believes that stuff happens but not that they are miracles??? whatever that means.. so he tries to tell me some stuff and I tell him about mee and he told me based on what I told him that mee is apostate and not a true believer... sorry mee. Apparently internet witnessing isnt that popular in the kingdom halls...

anyways he tells me right off that Jesus isnt God.. Im like yeah yeah I heard this one before.. he tells me that Jesus is the son of God given the powers of God.. I was like ok.. so Jesus is our example.. we are to live like Jesus lived.. he said exactly.. I was like ok.. Jesus healed and performed miracles.. why cant we do that if we are to live like Jesus lived.. !!! he did exactly what mee does.. He sidesteps the issue.. and changed the subject. oh my goodness...

I let him change the subject but then I took hold of the conversation and asked him if he read the book of psalms and he said of course.. he reads all of the bible... I said ok so do you believe that God keeps His promises and Javier said yes I said ok what about Gods promise that He will give us a long life and save us from our time of troubles if we but know His name??? I said your wife is 39 thats far from living a long life.. well ... javier changed the subject again.

It was very sad to me.. I felt the burden he feels.. he has to be strong for his wife and his family and the responsibilities of witnessing all weekend.. and the high standards for himself personally bleed over into his employees.. he has no life.. he has work work work.. God created us for His good pleasure.. so it pleases Him to see us enjoy His creation and our lives.. These people are in huge bondage and I will always pray for them. They love God.. they love their version of Jesus Christ... the most horrible thing I can think is that when they face the judgement seat... the disillusionment they might feel that they had it all wrong they believed a lie.. how sad

I went out to my car and cried for an hour and prayed until the Lord released me..

Please.. with me.. pray for these people.

I asked him if he had the opportunity to see his wife healed would he take it and he said no.. that they are supposed to suffer in this life. I told him that Christ suffered so we dont have to .. . he changed the subject again.

He gave me information of the kingdom halls in my area and the watchtower web address I took them graciously.. I know his intentions are good and I adore him for wanting to see me saved by his standards.. but dear one Im already saved.

This is the belief of a real JW.... This world, this currently life isn't for keeps... It will fade and die and return to ash... They have this hope for the new paradise on Earth where they will live forever. They are currently in a way to coin it... In hell. This is a place that is run/influnced by the devil and is an evil and wicked world. So their view being; what is the point in being brought back to life or healed or kept on that "life support" when this is a mere blink in time... The future, their paradise earth is what they await... Not this current life. And it has NOTHING to do with having to suffer just like jesus... They are not like that section of catholics who punish themsleves..

Indeed they work very hard.... I have never seen a more dedicated set of people. That is one of the few reasons I left, I am not a work horse nor that dedicated to anything... heh. You mention judgement day.... They have attempted ALL their lives as a JW to bring people to god and the bible...... They teach nothing but, the bible... Why would they have a bad time at this judgement day? They have a teaching of false religion, so for example you are wrong in their eyes and they pray for you on judgement day.... But they know that their god gives mercy to those who have walked by accident blindly following the wrong religion, as they believe that when the whore of babylon.... false religion is destroyed you and all others will be free from it's delusions and so on and can learn the "goodnews".

BlaznFattyz · 01-02-2007, 03:58 PM

there is witnessing and calling and preaching to and within the christian churches. many are called to christ during services, many are called to evangelism, many are called to baptism, many are called to rededicate their lives, many are called to greater responsibility.

BlaznFattyz · 01-02-2007, 04:09 PM

actually some jw's stopped to talk to me sunday, and i witnessed to them the gospel and the dangers of mixing magazine doctrine from anonymous and implausible sources and invited them to my church to hear a live person apply scriptures from the living bible to ones life.

17th Angel · 01-02-2007, 04:59 PM

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actually some jw's stopped to talk to me sunday, and i witnessed to them the gospel and the dangers of mixing magazine doctrine from anonymous and implausible sources and invited them to my church to hear a live person apply scriptures from the living bible to ones life.

I bet they turned you down right?

What danger is there of mixing magazines with bibles? You say magazine doctrine.....? Doctrine? Have you ever read a watch tower magazine? It gives references of the bible and tries to explain and give understanding of the scriptures within the bible.. It isn't like the majority of churches that make their own dogma ;x

mee · 01-02-2007, 05:07 PM

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Indeed they work very hard.... I have never seen a more dedicated set of people. oquote]
Just as Jesus found great happiness in willingly serving God, so do Jehovahs witnesses. they are willing to do the will of God, just as Jesus did , that is not to say that we will be put to death like Jesus was, but whatever Jesus tells us to do we do it . following Jesus example john 5;30 says it all really,
because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me. so we as christians were told by Jesus to GO matthew 28;19-20 and Jehovah did say to listen to Jesus.
(Luke 9:35) And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him."

BlaznFattyz · 01-02-2007, 08:23 PM

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I bet they turned you down right?

What danger is there of mixing magazines with bibles? You say magazine doctrine.....? Doctrine? Have you ever read a watch tower magazine? It gives references of the bible and tries to explain and give understanding of the scriptures within the bible.. It isn't like the majority of churches that make their own dogma ;x

the danger of magazines is many people replace what is said by authors who have an agenda, and these people replace it for what god make by speaking in their hearts.
an example: have you not seen the dangers of magazines and the media painting pictures of people? take for example women. since the '50s women have been seen in magazines as independent smoking kools and in constant need of being thin and having drugs to fix the many problems they have or make them better than normal so then can compete with men or other women. some people buy into it and are victims of how the media has portrayed women.
now take that idea of how media affects peoples lives and transfer it over to a religion.
do you pick up articles and just assume they are real and accurate, or do you look for the crediblity of the paper, even the author?

BlaznFattyz · 01-02-2007, 08:27 PM

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I have never seen a more dedicated set of people.

i have, the many thousands of christian evangelists all around the world spreading the gospel. even a little church like the one i attend has set up schools, orphanages, etc in third world countries for the glory of god and continue to do so. christian teachers of the top of my head: j. vernon mcgee, billy graham, these are all preachers that work very hard and have brought many to christ.

mee · 01-03-2007, 02:07 PM

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i have, the many thousands of christian evangelists all around the world spreading the gospel. even a little church like the one i attend has set up schools, orphanages, etc in third world countries for the glory of god and continue to do so. christian teachers of the top of my head: j. vernon mcgee, billy graham, these are all preachers that work very hard and have brought many to christ.

yes there are many good deeds that sincere people are doing, but making known about the established heaven kingdom goverment is what Jesus wants his people to be doing , he wants his people to be telling others and making known about this GOODNEWS of the kingdom . because it is for a witness , he wants people to put their vote in for the only goverment that will bring peace to the earth .
(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first............. this heralding about the kingdom is serving a purpose , people are being gathered out of all nations and tribes of the earth revelation 7;9-10 because when Jesus goes into action ,on the great day of Jehovah , people will be on one side or on the other side . there will be no sitting on the fence. we will be for the established heavenly kingdom with Jesus as reigning king, or we wont . but the gathering is NOW going on , these gathered ones are helping the faithful annointed ones to get the job done . yes as matthew 24;14 says ,this GOODNEWS of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth .............for a witness to the nations............then the end will come. there is no stopping bible prophecy ,Gods purpose for the earth will come to fullfillment there is no stopping it............ the heavenly kingdom goverment was established in 1914 according to bible prophecy and chronology. and Jesus was made king at this date inline with the bible , this is the GOODNEWS but the question is do people want this GOODNEWS or do they reject this GOODNEWS. what side of the fence we are on when Jesus goes into action will be obvious , but at that time it will be to late , we will have aready made our choice,NOW is the time to be welcoming this reigning king (Jesus) Jehovahs people have made their choice. they are waving their symbolic palm branches to welcome Jesus as the rightful king . and because it is such GOODNEWS they are making it known all over the world, so that other sheep can put their vote in also .

mee · 01-03-2007, 02:33 PM

[quote=BlaznFattyz;86554]the danger of magazines is many people replace what is said by authors who have an agenda, quote] that is very true, i am glad to say that Jehovahs people always use the bible as their guide, nowadays we are living in a world that is far removed from bible standards and princibles and the watchtower and awake mags always direct people to Gods word the bible . since 1914 the world has been influenced greatly by the great deciever(satan the devil) this world and its standards just gets worse and worse .the way people live gets more removed from bible standards every day , the awake mag especially ,has many fine topics about family life , and always points to the bible as the best guidence . i find the mags to be most helpful, when i was caring for my elderly mom it had a very good topic about caregiving which helped me a great deal , and it always pointed to the bible and the princibles in the bible , also it has very good topics about bringing up children and family life , and it always pointed to the bible as a guide. so there is nothing wrong with mags that Jehovahs people print, because the bible is their guide. i love the way that the mags point to the bible verses, so rather than taking on the influence of this world , they bring our thoughts back to the bible and then we can see what God has to say . the watchtower and awake mags have helped me lots over the years , in one way or another.

17th Angel · 01-03-2007, 02:44 PM

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that is very true, i am glad to say that Jehovahs people always use the bible as their guide, nowadays we are living in a world that is far removed from bible standards and princibles and the watchtower and awake mags always direct people to Gods word the bible . since 1914 the world has been influenced greatly by the great deciever(satan the devil) this world and its standards just gets worse and worse .the way people live gets more removed from bible standards every day , the awake mag especially ,has many fine topics about family life , and always points to the bible as the best guidence . i find the mags to be most helpful, when i was caring for my elderly mom it had a very good topic about caregiving which helped me a great deal , and it always pointed to the bible and the princibles in the bible , also it has very good topics about bringing up children and family life , and it always pointed to the bible as a guide. so there is nothing wrong with mags that Jehovahs people print, because the bible is their guide. i love the way that the mags point to the bible verses, so rather than taking on the influence of this world , they bring our thoughts back to the bible and then we can see what God has to say . the watchtower and awake mags have helped me lots over the years , in one way or another.

Hey, you starting to give more than pastings... I liked this post. Some nice parts to it... Nice to hear that it helps you in so many parts of your life from caring for your mother, rasing children and just general topics that pop up in this world.... And I am sure you would give the same answer as an old fellah I used to know. I asked him once, Just imagine for a moment you were wrong, and you had the chance to go back what would you say? He told me he wouldn't change a thing and that he had lived a loving and peacful life helping as many people as he could and just generally doing all he could to make this place seem a little less cold.