would you vote for a jewish or muslim President of the U.S.? - Page 3

Dream · 02-20-2008, 10:40 PM

I think that this turned out to be moot question for this particular US presidential election. Obama is reportedly not a Muslim; and people's reactions to the possibility of his being Muslim have been thoroughly measured.

Still thinking · 02-20-2008, 10:54 PM

Well, seeing as how this thread was started in 2005, I don't think they meant Obama . . . it would be interesting to see what these people think now; if there opinions have changed.

Saltmeister · 02-21-2008, 10:03 AM

I wouldn't mind a Jew or a Muslim being a leader of my country, as long as they don't bring their religion into the politics of running the country. Same with a Christian leader. You can't claim to speak for what I believe, so don't try when you're in power. I don't care even if we attend the same congregation. Religion and politics cannot mix and still be politically correct, or at least to be compatible with the way democratic countries and their political systems should be run.

Respect the separation of state and religion. Fail and you not only violate my country's political system, but also my religion!!! What you say is always your view, even if I hold the same views. It has nothing to do with whether we hold the same views. A political system is a political system. A religion is a religion. Engineers don't practise biology. Biologists don't practise engineering. Engineers don't manage the stock market, except as business-people (working in two disciplines). A man doesn't think like a woman. A child is not an adult.

I can vote for a Jew or Muslim if they can prove, to me, that their religion won't interfere with their running their country. ie. They would have made the same decision whether they were atheist, Buddhist, Christian, Jew or Muslim. .......or dare I say it......a terrorist, wife-beater or mass-murderer!!!! Just do your job. It's not the person or the religion. It's the decisions they make. Keep your personal life and prejudices out of the office. Politics is politics. It's not personal. You are working for the country, not yourself or even God.

shamsery · 02-21-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

I would not vote for a someone running to be president who was outright about being muslim or jewish. i personally do not trust someone who does not believe in jesus.

Muslim believe Jesus (Pbuh) as mighty messenger of God, Prophet but they don’t consider him as God.

Still thinking · 02-26-2008, 06:21 PM

Not to mention that it's a narrow-minded view of someone; I don't trust many people who do believe in Jesus!

mee · 02-26-2008, 09:34 PM

would you vote for a jewish or muslim President of the U.S.?

are you asking christians , ? if you are , christians should have already put their vote in for GODS KINGDOM and they would be waving their symbolic palm branch to welcome the reigning king of that kingdom ,so they dont need to be any part of the world they are busy waving their palm branches REVELATION 7;9-10 THATS WHAT CHRISTIANS ARE BUSY DOING

Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,
Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.PSALM 146;3

Still thinking · 02-26-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

would you vote for a jewish or muslim President of the U.S.?

are you asking christians , ? if you are , christians should have already put their vote in for GODS KINGDOM and they would be waving their symbolic palm branch to welcome the reigning king of that kingdom ,so they dont need to be any part of the world they are busy waving their palm branches REVELATION 7;9-10 THATS WHAT CHRISTIANS ARE BUSY DOING

Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,

Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.PSALM 146;3

Thanks, Mee, but in America we get to vote for our leaders, which we take advantage of, if we're smart . . . . . .

Quahom1 · 02-27-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Still thinking

Not to mention that it's a narrow-minded view of someone; I don't trust many people who do believe in Jesus!

The problem with a Muslim President, would be that his/her religious beliefs (concerning law) are at odds with the Judeao/Christian foundations of the United States Constitution. This is not a slight towards Muslims by any stretch of the imagination, but rather a philisophical/theological fact.

He/She would struggle with their own concept of things vs. the Law of the land as it stands. We have observed the need to assert the Idea of Sharia law (locally) within the United States boundaries as it is, already. In addition, those who profess Islam, may well lobby for changes in the Constitution to reflect Sharia law as a viable alternative to United States Federal law as it stands. They would be obligated to do so, as it is a mandate of their religion. They would also demand that any time, a Muslim is in court, Sharia law must take precedence over established Federal and State laws and judicial systems. In short, we would have a split legal system, that would never see eye to eye, and the disadvantage would be to the non Muslim majority, who could only seek justice under Sharia law if a Muslim was involved.

Just a "sobering" thought.

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Q

gp1628 · 02-27-2008, 02:57 AM

I would actually prefer that over many of the alternatives. Both historically, and my personal experiences, would make it preferable to a christian-based president IMHO

wil · 02-27-2008, 03:27 AM

I don't believe all Muslims are in favor of Sharia law. Time for some validation from our Islamic brothers and sisters.

Whichever the case a Muslim President would be required to follow our laws, appease our masses, our courts and our congress, should he not, he'd find himself out on his kiester quickly. Q, balance of powers remember, it doesn't change all that easily despite the abuses of the executive order and executive branch by the last two administrations.

I just made mention, I believe we could elect either, had they the right information for the people their religion would be overlooked, not by all but by enough to get elected. Just as if Hillary or Obama don't win, it won't be because she is a woman or he is black, but but because the public didn't resonate with what the perceived they stood for. Hillary currently wonders what her problem is... it is because we know her too well. We've seen the niceties on stage face to face with Obama and then the fits the next day, we've seen the tears on command and her stick with Bill for political power.

But what I don't think we'd be willing to elect is someone who openly says he/she is an atheist. While the country is moving more secular....we ain't there yet. We like having someone at the top that answers to a higher authority.

Quahom1 · 02-27-2008, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by wil

I don't believe all Muslims are in favor of Sharia law. Time for some validation from our Islamic brothers and sisters.

Whichever the case a Muslim President would be required to follow our laws, appease our masses, our courts and our congress, should he not, he'd find himself out on his kiester quickly. Q, balance of powers remember, it doesn't change all that easily despite the abuses of the executive order and executive branch by the last two administrations.

I just made mention, I believe we could elect either, had they the right information for the people their religion would be overlooked, not by all but by enough to get elected. Just as if Hillary or Obama don't win, it won't be because she is a woman or he is black, but but because the public didn't resonate with what the perceived they stood for. Hillary currently wonders what her problem is... it is because we know her too well. We've seen the niceties on stage face to face with Obama and then the fits the next day, we've seen the tears on command and her stick with Bill for political power.

But what I don't think we'd be willing to elect is someone who openly says he/she is an atheist. While the country is moving more secular....we ain't there yet. We like having someone at the top that answers to a higher authority.

But then, you never lived among Muslims Will...I think I am better informed on this issue than you, since I've experienced Muslim justice....

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Quahom1 · 02-27-2008, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by gp1628

I would actually prefer that over many of the alternatives. Both historically, and my personal experiences, would make it preferable to a christian-based president IMHO

Get ready to lose your hands, and feet...Sharia law is not kind.

Then get dumped on the street to pan handle...which is another violation...it just keeps getting better....

mee · 02-27-2008, 08:50 AM

Daniel 2;44 ............... THE DAY OF JEHOVAH IS NEAR

wil · 02-27-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Q

They would be obligated to do so, as it is a mandate of their religion. They would also demand that any time, a Muslim is in court, Sharia law must take precedence over established Federal and State laws and judicial systems.

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I don't believe all Muslims are in favor of Sharia law. Time for some validation from our Islamic brothers and sisters.

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

But then, you never lived among Muslims Will...I think I am better informed on this issue than you, since I've experienced Muslim justice....

Namaste Q,

Again as far as I know it Sharia Law is not the law of the land in all predominately Muslim countries, yet you imply that one Muslim elected to the office of President would immediately change 200 years of lawmaking.

You of all people, so little faith in the workings of the country?

How is it you experienced the brunt Sharia law? Living where?

Saltmeister · 02-27-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Get ready to lose your hands, and feet...Sharia law is not kind.

Then get dumped on the street to pan handle...which is another violation...it just keeps getting better....

But would we say that because we're Christian? Someone would probably say the same thing about Christian ideology influencing political processes. They don't like it and I think their sentiments are reasonable. The politician who uses Christian ideology to push his agenda is effectively saying, "I can do this because I am Christian and there are many who support me because they are Christian too." He has more power and support, than say, an atheist making the same decision.

Kind of unfair don't you think?

That's why I said that religion should be kept out of the complications of public office. I am actually offended by a lot of people who claim to follow a Christian agenda when in public office. They claim to speak for all Christians. That, from my point of view, is not just an insult to my beliefs, but also blasphemy and desecration of a tradition of which I am an adherent. If it's based on your own personal belief that you are making a particular decision, say so, but don't claim to be able to speak for all of us. That's just rude and offensive.

Even though I don't live in America I will say this. Your political system is not an subordinate body for God. It is not a priesthood. It is a secular institution. Keep it that way. Priests, pastors and presbyters can say how Christians should live, not Presidents and Governors. Likewise, a Christian will not tell others how to live; he will only tell himself how to live. Presidents and Governors should stop trying to play God. They're not in the God-business. They are in the business of running the country. They don't teach people how to behave. They make policies.

As I said, I couldn't care less if I had a terrorist, wife-beater, murderer, child-abuser or bank robber for a President, as long as he keeps his private life dissociated from the public office. It's the decision-making and outward, diplomatic public personality that is important, not the private personality. If a convicted criminal can make better and more ethical decisions in public office than a law-abiding citizen, I'd choose the convicted criminal.