wy do people think jesus was god - Page 10

BlaznFattyz · 11-18-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Everything in the bible points to Jesus Christ.. The Holy Spirit directs our attention to Jesus...The bible says that in glorifying Jesus we are glorifying the Father. So when we worship Jesus we are worshipping the Father.. When we praise Jesus we are praising the Father.

By taking Jesus off the throne and putting yourself on it you are breaking the first three commandments for sure by denying that Christ is not the only way of salvation you are under the law and will be held accountable for your sins in judgement. God is holy and righteous sinless God He is perfect and you will not get to the Father when your full of sin..

amen. may the spirit change the hearts of those that find scriptures as a challenge of wit to argue and deny, or box of chocolates to pick and choose and bite and put back.. those that have eyes cannot see and those that have ears cannot hear until one humbles oneself, acknowledges their shortcoming and repents of their sins, for in gods son is their life and until pride and arrogance and testing and questioning god instead of believing and having faith in him who he sent, you keep blocking god to work in your life you will stay spiritually blind to god.

Quahom1 · 11-18-2006, 04:47 PM

Forrest Gumpism eh?

Quahom1 · 11-18-2006, 04:56 PM

..."How do you know Jesus is God, Joshua?"...

After 45 years, of living on the edge, seeing what I've seen, missing death by the skin of my teeth so many times, having prayers answered in the most profound ways (sometimes the answer was a resounding NO), I know. I don't believe, I know.

v/r

Joshua

JosephM · 11-18-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Whatever happened to the liberal Christianity board? Noone there to make rebuttals to your claim that Jesus Christ isnt Lord? So everyone comes here because certainly the bible believers will give a good fight... yeah lets put those bible believers in their place...

Wrong.. You can try all you want to put Christ in your box...but God and the bible are on our side in regards to this issue... there is nothing you can say there is no argument that can ever make your case.. its one of those that you agree to disagree.

Greetings Faithfulservant,

I certainly didn't start this thread here but I am curious why if there is nothing one can say or argument one can make to change your mind using the writings in the Bible then why do you even participate if it makes you angry or self-righteous. There are many conflicts in the world and everybody thinks God is on their side. Perhaps God is above such pettiness and just unconditionally loves rather than takes sides. I am paticipating because streetbob has expressed an interst to hear a different challenging view using writings from the Bible as much as possible. I am participating according to guidelines and do not require conversion to what I express as my understanding at present. It seems to me there is no reason to accuse people of breaking commandments or being prideful or inferring God is not on their side. Can't you discuss the issue in love and if you can't or won't even consider the other side just ignore the thread. Personally, I have enjoyed hearing the views expressed by others regardless of my personal understanding and no love is lost. Hoping you can do the same without judgement or condemnation.

Love in Christ,
JM

JosephM · 11-18-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cage

Christian = (Christ-Like)

What is pride to you, faithfulservant; would you say honoring the Love of God, and allowing ones self to feel it be a pride issue? Love comes from God, and to honor it is what he wishes. None are perfect, but we can allow ourselves his Love for us, and act in that Love when deling with others. Is this pride to you? That someone feels satisfaction through Gods Love, and allows themselves to show it?

Worldly accomplishments are one thing to feel pride in, but I would say feeling Loved by God and deriving great satisfaction in that Love would not be the definition of pride used in the Bible. Or, were you talking about feeling pride in what one knows 'intillectually' about the Bible and God and Jesus? Certainly both are useful; w/o one the other is on its own. Both being the ideal combination. The difference is that intellect alone cannot lead to God, but walking in his Love always will. Heart and intellect are two completely different things, by which one will stumbe here and there, but the other the path made straight if walked in faith.

This is my view, but you may see me as a prideful man. It is not pride, it is Love that leads my way. I 'am' proud of my God, and there is nothing I can do outside his Love that can please him...

Much Love,

Cage,

Not to be patronizing but I really appreciate your heartfelt post here. If God's essence is love then indeed love has to be the most important element in a full realization of truth. As the NT indicates, Charity (love) never fails. You make excellent points in my view.

Love in christ,
JM

Quahom1 · 11-18-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JosephM

Greetings Faithfulservant,

I certainly didn't start this thread here but I am curious why if there is nothing one can say or argument one can make to change your mind using the writings in the Bible then why do you even participate if it makes you angry or self-righteous. There are many conflicts in the world and everybody thinks God is on their side. Perhaps God is above such pettiness and just unconditionally loves rather than takes sides. I am paticipating because streetbob has expressed an interst to hear a different challenging view using writings from the Bible as much as possible. I am participating according to guidelines and do not require conversion to what I express as my understanding at present. It seems to me there is no reason to accuse people of breaking commandments or being prideful or inferring God is not on their side. Can't you discuss the issue in love and if you can't or won't even consider the other side just ignore the thread. Personally, I have enjoyed hearing the views expressed by others regardless of my personal understanding and no love is lost. Hoping you can do the same without judgement or condemnation.

Love in Christ,
JM

Oh oh...

BlaznFattyz · 11-18-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Forrest Gumpism eh?

the forrest gumpism of god stops him from working in your life.

i like it!

Quahom1 · 11-18-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

the forrest gumpism of god stops him from working in your life.

i like it!

I'm told I have my moments...

BlaznFattyz · 11-18-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JosephM

Greetings Faithfulservant,

I certainly didn't start this thread here but I am curious why if there is nothing one can say or argument one can make to change your mind using the writings in the Bible then why do you even participate if it makes you angry or self-righteous.
JM

maybe some see an unbalance of arguments, all negative springing from an agenda of anti-christ. if it is genuinely for the sake of learning, maybe allow yourself to direct some energy into thinking how jesus can be god sometimes.

Quahom1 · 11-18-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

maybe some see an unbalance of arguments, all negative springing from an agenda of anti-christ. if it is genuinely for the sake of learning, maybe allow yourself to direct some energy into thinking how jesus can be god sometimes.

devil's advocate comes to mind..."pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"...

JosephM · 11-18-2006, 05:44 PM

Faithfulservant,

By the way, I have not seen anyone here being disrespectful to Jesus or stripping him of the title Lord. Lord and Master are respectful titles applied to teachers and people felt deserving of respect or in authority. It is a title such as Mr. in English and is translated from the word 'kurios' in Greek and can be made applicable to a translation of Mr., Sir, Master, Lord or God. The Greek word doesn't imply God but can be used for respect to one such as Jesus, royality, someone in authority or God . Check your Greek dictionary if in doubt. The English have many Lords and the King James trsanslators preferred using that word to denote respect as they did for those they respect in England from royalty that they called Lords or Dukes.

Just a tid-bit to consider.

Love in Christ,
JM

Quahom1 · 11-18-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JosephM

Faithfulservant,

By the way, I have not seen anyone here being disrespectful to Jesus or stripping him of the title Lord. Lord and Master are respectful titles applied to teachers and people felt deserving of respect or in authority. It is a title such as Mr. in English and is translated from the word 'kurios' in Greek and can be made applicable to a translation of Mr., Sir, Master, Lord or God. The Greek word doesn't imply God but can be used for respect to one such as Jesus, royality, someone in authority or God . Check your Greek dictionary if in doubt. The English have many Lords and the King James trsanslators preferred using that word to denote respect as they did for those they respect in England from royalty that they called Lords or Dukes.

Just a tid-bit to consider.

Love in Christ,
JM

He's God...Joseph. Your argument seems to be that He is not...what did you think would happen? People say, "oh, ok, Joseph is on to something here..."

Got to stand for something, or fall for anything.

Jesus is Lord, and God. End of statement.

JosephM · 11-18-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

maybe some see an unbalance of arguments, all negative springing from an agenda of anti-christ. if it is genuinely for the sake of learning, maybe allow yourself to direct some energy into thinking how jesus can be god sometimes.

If anything it apears the balance is tipped to the other side however your advice in this post is well spoken and not unnoticed.

Love in Christ,
JM

JosephM · 11-18-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

He's God...Joseph. Your argument seems to be that He is not...what did you think would happen? People say, "oh, ok, Joseph is on to something here..."

Got to stand for something, or fall for anything.

Jesus is Lord, and God. End of statement.

Joshua,

I had no thoughts either way of what would happen. This thread is for discussion and that is exactly what I have been doing. Your conversion or the conversion of others was not in my thoughts. Obviously you have no more to say than your statement as if no discussion is needed or required so why participate if you are annoyed. My understandings were only for sharing and consideration. Your agreement or disagreement is not an issue with me.

Love in Christ,
JM

Cage · 11-18-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

maybe some see an unbalance of arguments, all negative springing from an agenda of anti-christ. if it is genuinely for the sake of learning, maybe allow yourself to direct some energy into thinking how jesus can be god sometimes.

I don't think anyone is denying that Jesus was Christ in the flesh. He was the son of God, born of Gods Spirit:

1 John 4:1-12

1. Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
7. Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
9. In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
12. No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

The Spirit of the anti-Christ is against the Spirit of Christ, or Jesus. One need only discern what Spirit Jesus walked in to know the Spirit of anti-Christ, imo...

Much Love,