wy do people think jesus was god - Page 2

shadowman · 11-15-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dor

Ok got one for you. If you do not think he is God then what do you think he is? He has to be God, angel or just some man. Also what would you base it on since only one is biblically supported?

well

maybe all men are god

or maybe he was just enlightened and people that worte the bible didnt REALLY understand him

i base it on experienceig life, philosophy, humanity, society and philosophy

there are also books that thik the bible is not accurate to what jesus said or did, but there is of course lots of controversy

even if jesus did say he was god

maybe he was having an experience based around the psychology, myths, and influences of his time.

BlaznFattyz · 11-15-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

why are you bothered? god is in control right?

just because god is in control doesnt mean we stop caring about the salvation of others or the consequence of a rebellious and hardened heart. this is why jesus says blessed are the meek and poor in spirit, a broken person searches to and believes god's words like a thirsty man searches for water in the desert. when we are rich or prideful or arrogant we think why do we need god or twist his words to fit our lifestyle.

shadowman · 11-15-2006, 08:27 PM

yeah but its gods will... might as well view that person as dead/damned, god obviously does

BlaznFattyz · 11-15-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

yeah but its gods will... might as well view that person as dead/damned, god obviously does

god gives the ability to reason and act . to say it is god's will when god has not proclaimed it, that is justifying your act by associating it with gods will or being indifferent and apathetic towards you fellow man by saying god will deal with it.

Dor · 11-15-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

yeah but its gods will... might as well view that person as dead/damned, god obviously does

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Nope he came and died for every man. Men choose to damn themselves, God does not choose it for them.

1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

wil · 11-15-2006, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondi

Like this one, Thomas?..."I and my Father are one. ... Ye are gods...

Ye are g-ds, I love that one... This is you too Shadow...out there creating...what are you creating now is the queston.

Dor · 11-15-2006, 08:49 PM

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well

maybe all men are god Wishful thinking sort of along the Mormon line.

or maybe he was just enlightened and people that worte the bible didnt REALLY understand him Oh Im sure they understood him alot more than we do. People just want to make him fit their box. It is called 1st commandment.

i base it on experienceig life, philosophy, humanity, society and philosophy

there are also books that thik the bible is not accurate to what jesus said or did, but there is of course lots of controversy Of course people want to change everything to fit themself. If I write a book and say the clouds are green does not make it so.

even if jesus did say he was god He did.

maybe he was having an experience based around the psychology, myths, and influences of his time.

might want to read Mark 3 and Matthew 12 before making statements like the last one.

Dor · 11-15-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

Ye are g-ds, I love that one... This is you too Shadow...out there creating...what are you creating now is the queston.

Read it in context just once Wil. Please try to actually do that one time.

Thomas · 11-15-2006, 08:57 PM

Hi Dondi –

Like this one, Thomas?

Yep.

And here's another:
"And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy."
Mattherw 26:63-65

Thomas

shadowman · 11-15-2006, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dor

might want to read Mark 3 and Matthew 12 before making statements like the last one.

yeah those books are quite similar

shadowman · 11-15-2006, 09:10 PM

dont people change life experiences/perceptions to fit the bible box as well?

it wasnt thinking along mormon line that i know of. I think man created religion and its interpretation of god.

Dor · 11-15-2006, 09:12 PM

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it wasnt thinking along mormon line that i know of. I think man created religion and its interpretation of god.

Mormons claim if they are good enough they get to become a god of their own planet.

wil · 11-15-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dor

Read it in context just once Wil. Please try to actually do that one time.

Which one the quote attributed to Jesus or his reference?

Dor · 11-15-2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

Which one the quote attributed to Jesus or his reference?

The Bible lol not Dondi.

Cage · 11-15-2006, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

dont people change life experiences/perceptions to fit the bible box as well?

I think so, shadowman...God has attributed to him many things quite ugly, imo. The perceptions are changing among many of us, still many cling to the way God was presented in the OT. How can a God of Love be tainted by jealousy, as jealousy is created by fear, and if this is true, why would God need fear anything if he indeed exist? God doesn't change, shadowman, but our views of him do. As we progress on our spiritual paths, we begin to see the error in the way God was presented in the OT...Well, some of us anyway.

I think the Bible was meant to put some into a 'box', but for others who search for truth, they can be freed from the 'fear' of the ancients, imo....

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it wasnt thinking along mormon line that i know of. I think man created religion and its interpretation of god.

Of course we did, but that doesn't mean that God does not exist, right? It only means that we have been attempting to know/understand him since the beginning. Jesus made great strides concerning the character of God, imo. I don't think Jesus was God, but I do think he was "one with God"...czech out 1 john. It's a very short book, but a marvelous description of what it means to know God. Jesus was a lovely man, and so were his deciples, man.

Much Love,