wy do people think jesus was god - Page 6

Quahom1 · 11-16-2006, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondi

I think it's in Popeye 3:16.

Coasties are alot of things (bullet proof, can walk on water, leap tall ships in a single bound), but they ain't prophets or apostles. but then, you know that...

Dondi · 11-16-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Coasties are alot of things (bullet proof, can walk on water, leap tall ships in a single bound), but they ain't prophets or apostles. but then, you know that...

But Popeye was a sailor, like me. And we prophets from our spinacks.

Quahom1 · 11-16-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondi

But Popeye was a sailor, like me. And we prophets from our spinacks.

Was a "Coasty sailor"...and a diver with the bends...ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh.

JosephM · 11-16-2006, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dor

Check John chapter 8 that might have been what Q was refering to.

If you are referring to John 8:58 you have changed the words. It says,
"Before Abraham was, I am" which in the Greek says Before the patriarch Abraham came, I existed. One must be careful not to read something in there that it doesn't say. Perhaps Jesus was Melchisedec who was before Abraham. I do not know but I know if you interpret it as Jesus is God you make a lie out of hundreds of writings that say otherwise including Isaih 53:11 that says by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; (speaking of Jesus as a servant of God, not God) Even Jesus said a "servant is not above his Lord" . There are hundreds of more references but if you choose to interperate one or two to the exclusion of many... so be it.

Peace,
JM

Quahom1 · 11-16-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JosephM

If you are referring to John 8:58 you have changed the words. It says,
"Before Abraham was, I am" which in the Greek says Before the patriarch Abraham came, I existed. One must be careful not to read something in there that it doesn't say. Perhaps Jesus was Melchisedec who was before Abraham. I do not know but I know if you interpret it as Jesus is God you make a lie out of hundreds of writings that say otherwise including Isaih 53:11 that says by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; (speaking of Jesus as a servant of God, not God) Even Jesus said a "servant is not above his Lord" . There are hundreds of more references but if you choose to interperate one or two to the exclusion of many... so be it.

Peace,
JM

Adhere to your own advice...Joseph.

JosephM · 11-16-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Adhere to your own advice...Joseph.

Are you speaking of comments elsewhere as I am playing by your guidelines here on this thread. Does that offend you or seem to corner you in that I am using the writings you profess to believe to reason with you?

Peace,
JM

Cage · 11-16-2006, 10:43 PM

I wonder if it really matters if a person believes Jesus is God or not? The following came to mind as I was reading this thread. Any thoughts on what he's 'actually' saying here? It sounds to me like those who speak against Jesus will be forgiven...

Matthew 12:32-34

32. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
33. Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34. O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Much Love,

JosephM · 11-16-2006, 11:11 PM

Hi Cage,

Your quotation speaks of the 'Son of man' as different than the Holy Ghost which seems to me to confirm suspicions that Jesus as Son of man was not claiming himself as God. That divinity was manifested in him of course is not an issue in this thread but only the statement that Jesus is God. Your reference seems to be one of many that Jesus himself is recorded as speaking that point otherwise than to the conclusion that Jesus is God anymore than anyone else.

Love in Christ,
JM

Cage · 11-16-2006, 11:13 PM

Love in Christ,

Prober · 11-16-2006, 11:16 PM

Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Matthew 4:7 (when Jesus himself was being tempted by Satan)

Cage · 11-16-2006, 11:36 PM

Does it matter if people believe this, though?

If not, why do many people squabble about it? Must you beilieve Jesus was God to know God? What about the following?

Matthew 4:8-10

8. Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9. And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve

If you are saying Jesus is God's equal, why then would Jesus feel need to serve God? Unless he is simply serving himself, which makes no sense to me because of this:

Luke 22:42

42. Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

As you can see, the whole trinity concept is alien to me, and I appologize if you find my questions ignorant...

Much Love,

lunamoth · 11-16-2006, 11:46 PM

Just a brief thought one what you say about the Trinity here Cage.

I am part of my marriage, my marriage would not exist without me (and my spouse), and I can serve my marriage (honor, faith, trust, love).

I compare the Trinity God to marriage.

2 c,
luna

Prober · 11-17-2006, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cage

Does it matter if people believe this, though?

If not, why do many people squabble about it? Must you beilieve Jesus was God to know God? What about the following?

Matthew 4:8-10

8. Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9. And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve

If you are saying Jesus is God's equal, why then would Jesus feel need to serve God? Unless he is simply serving himself, which makes no sense to me because of this:

Luke 22:42

42. Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

As you can see, the whole trinity concept is alien to me, and I appologize if you find my questions ignorant...

Much Love,

Jesus was reminding Satan that he (Satan) very well knew that no one was to be worshipped but God. Jesus (the human part) would need to serve God, too.

Cage · 11-17-2006, 12:18 AM

I've been sitting here for thirty minutes trying thinking, trying to understand how Jesus could be God, and respond, but I am at a loss for words for some reason. I've got to give this a great deal more thought.

Thanks, and...

Much Love,

Prober · 11-17-2006, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Cage

Does it matter if people believe this, though?

If not, why do many people squabble about it? Must you beilieve Jesus was God to know God? What about the following?

Much Love,

I think a Christian needs to believe in Christ's divinity. I have no idea why Christians would doubt it.

That being said, I don't believe a person needs to believe in Jesus to know God, but I do believe it's the best way (what a great example!).

"Many sheep have I..."

I believe that there will be people of many faiths, including some faiths that don't believe in Jesus, in Heaven.

They would all have to believe in the one true god, of course.

For me, since nothing Jesus did or said detracts from knowing or believing in God, I have no problem believing in Jesus' divinity.

For me, it's perfectly clear and laid out - from Genesis through Revelation!