You still cant fathom it (even though I mentioned it) - Page 2

juantoo3 · 02-07-2007, 08:11 PM

Kindest Regards, Inhumility!

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Originally Posted by inhumility

JesusYeshuaIssa was a true ProphetMessenger of GodAllahYHWH; there is no question of wrath of GodAllahYHWH being on him. JesusYeshuaIssa was amongst the PerfectMen of GodAllahYHWH who received unending bounties from Him. His heart was pure from any curse being thrown on him, and he never went to hell, his permanent abode is in heaven. My belief based on a number of reasons is that his supplications in the garden of Gethsemane were heard and accepted by GodAllahYHWH and JesusYeshuaIssa did not die on Cross. This was a mercy from Him. If my friends here would only allow me I can prove it with many solid proofs, GodAllahYHWH willing. Sorry for my interruption, but my love of JesusYeshuaIssa couldn’t resist it expressing.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam working for unity of all religions of the world with peaceful means.

I think you will find that this subject is not very well received in mainstream Christianity. It is a central tenet to the faith that you are addressing, not unlike saying maybe that Mohammed was somehow unfit to be a prophet. Not that I am saying Mohammed is unfit, but that such a position will not be heard without contempt.

If you would like to address this subject, might I suggest carrying it to the Liberal Christianity board in the Belief and Spirituality section of the forum...I would like to believe this subject will be better received and discussed in a more logical and polite manner there. Otherwise, I am afraid the subject will only meet with ridicule on the Christianity board.

Dor · 02-07-2007, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by inhumility

JesusYeshuaIssa was a true ProphetMessenger of GodAllahYHWH; there is no question of wrath of GodAllahYHWH being on him. JesusYeshuaIssa was amongst the PerfectMen of GodAllahYHWH who received unending bounties from Him. His heart was pure from any curse being thrown on him, and he never went to hell, his permanent abode is in heaven. My belief based on a number of reasons is that his supplications in the garden of Gethsemane were heard and accepted by GodAllahYHWH and JesusYeshuaIssa did not die on Cross. This was a mercy from Him. If my friends here would only allow me I can prove it with many solid proofs, GodAllahYHWH willing. Sorry for my interruption, but my love of JesusYeshuaIssa couldn’t resist it expressing.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam working for unity of all religions of the world with peaceful means.

Your highlighted part is complete bull and should be on Islam board not here.

My underlined part is also completely untrue.

Silas · 02-07-2007, 09:33 PM

Amen!!

InLove · 02-07-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

I think you will find that this subject is not very well received in mainstream Christianity. It is a central tenet to the faith that you are addressing, not unlike saying maybe that Mohammed was somehow unfit to be a prophet. Not that I am saying Mohammed is unfit, but that such a position will not be heard without contempt.

If you would like to address this subject, might I suggest carrying it to the Liberal Christianity board in the Belief and Spirituality section of the forum...I would like to believe this subject will be better received and discussed in a more logical and polite manner there. Otherwise, I am afraid the subject will only meet with ridicule on the Christianity board.

What a reasonable and prophetic response, juantoo3. You must be a moderator.

InPeace,
InLove

wil · 02-07-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dor

Your highlighted part is complete bull and should be on Islam board not here.

My underlined part is also completely untrue.

Namaste Dor,

I believe you are exactly correct in the assertion that those comments belong on the Islam board.

I believe your second comment is incorrect, the sect which inhumility extols is promoting peace and cooperation and unity amongst religions.

Silas · 02-07-2007, 09:48 PM

No thanks. We're fine with the truth...I mean Jesus, alone. Go Jesus!

Dor · 02-07-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

Namaste Dor,

I believe you are exactly correct in the assertion that those comments belong on the Islam board.

I believe your second comment is incorrect, the sect which inhumility extols is promoting peace and cooperation and unity amongst religions.

Islam and peaceful go together like hell and ice cubes.

lunamoth · 02-07-2007, 10:57 PM

Wil is correct. Ahmadi is a sect of Islam that is much like the Baha'i Faith, claiming a new revelation and stressing the relatedness of all religions.

Dor · 02-07-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by lunamoth

Wil is correct. Ahmadi is a sect of Islam that is much like the Baha'i Faith, claiming a new revelation and stressing the relatedness of all religions.

I may have to check this more.
I see with some more research that majority of muslims do not even consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmadi's claims as valid or followers of Ahmadi as muslims.
Still say Islam and peaceful are contradictory terms.

inhumility · 02-08-2007, 12:57 PM

Quotes:“Excuse me, sir, I believe you are in the wrong board. The Islam board is due south.”
“Kindest Regards, Inhumility!
I think you will find that this subject is not very well received in mainstream Christianity. It is a central tenet to the faith that you are addressing,…..
but that such a position will not be heard without contempt.
If you would like to address this subject, might I suggest carrying it to the Liberal Christianity board in the Belief and Spirituality section of the forum...I would like to believe this subject will be better received and discussed in a more logical and polite manner there. Otherwise, I am afraid the subject will only meet with ridicule on the Christianity board.”
“I believe you are exactly correct in the assertion that those comments belong on the Islam board.
I believe your second comment is incorrect, the sect which inhumility extols is promoting peace and cooperation and unity amongst religions.”
“Islam and peaceful go together like hell and ice cubes”
“I may have to check this more.
I see with some more research that majority of muslims do not even consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmadi's claims as valid or followers of Ahmadi as muslims.
Still say Islam and peaceful are contradictory terms.”
“…is correct. Ahmadi is a sect of Islam that is much like the Baha'i Faith, claiming a new revelation and stressing the relatedness of all religions.”Unquote

Hello every body!
Believe me I enjoyed all the comments of my brothers/sisters and friends here who are members of this discussion forums, we now know each other for a long time and understand one another quite reasonably. I also knew that the topic may overflow the Christianity Board but nevertheless would remain of interest within the Abrahamic Religions and even beyond. But I also know that this discussion forum CR is a Mature Forum, at least I am convinced of that. I know other forums are not so mature though they have larger membership and are busier. People here are research oriented and reason oriented. They listen to arguments; they have restraint and patience not found elsewhere. Nobody is here to convert them to elsewhere.
Incidentally, I read the passage I quoted in my first post in this thread, here. I thought I should discuss it here without hurting other’s sentiments, and that is possible I think argument with arguments; why should be there an ill-feeling? I would remain respectful so would my friends, there will be no problem whatsoever, I believe.
Apprehensions are there, it is true. That is why I asked that “only if I am allowed to”.
Naturally I was asking for consensus of the members and the Moderators in this connection. I would be presenting arguments from Quran, from NTBible, from history, archaeology, medicine etc. etc and of course the above would be with a reference to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the pioneer in this topic. My friends disagreeing with me would also present their arguments, peacefully, I am sure.
I am still seeking the desired consensus, if possible? Though, I don’t insist.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi - a peaceful faith in Islam working for unity of all the revealed religions of the world with peaceful means.

Dondi · 02-08-2007, 01:09 PM

inhumility,

You said you wanted to prove what you said with many solid proofs. However, if you are going to use the Quran as the main source of your "proofs" it will not bode well here. Can you present you evidence just using the NT, history, archeology, medicine, etc.?

I would be mainly interested in examining your claim that Jesus didn't die on the Cross. I would also like to propose that perhaps it would be better to start another thread if we are going to diverge into another line of reasoning.

Dondi

lunamoth · 02-08-2007, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondi

I would be mainly interested in examining your claim that Jesus didn't die on the Cross. I would also like to propose that perhaps it would be better to start another thread if we are going to diverge into another line of reasoning.

Dondi

I concur. This topic has been debated before (and will be again I'm sure

) but it's not appropriate for the Christianity forum as it is a distinctly Islamic argument.

I would suggest the Comparative Religions board.

2 c,
luna

InLove · 02-08-2007, 05:15 PM

Hi inhumility

I agree with lunamoth and Dondi. The discussion of this subject might at least have a chance to increase understanding between willing participants on a board created for that specific purpose.

InPeace,
InLove

juantoo3 · 02-08-2007, 05:40 PM

Kindest Regards, Inhumility!

Quote:

Originally Posted by inhumility

Hello every body! Believe me I enjoyed all the comments of my brothers/sisters and friends here who are members of this discussion forums, we now know each other for a long time and understand one another quite reasonably. I also knew that the topic may overflow the Christianity Board but nevertheless would remain of interest within the Abrahamic Religions and even beyond. But I also know that this discussion forum CR is a Mature Forum, at least I am convinced of that. I know other forums are not so mature though they have larger membership and are busier. People here are research oriented and reason oriented. They listen to arguments; they have restraint and patience not found elsewhere. Nobody is here to convert them to elsewhere.
Incidentally, I read the passage I quoted in my first post in this thread, here. I thought I should discuss it here without hurting other’s sentiments, and that is possible I think argument with arguments; why should be there an ill-feeling? I would remain respectful so would my friends, there will be no problem whatsoever, I believe.
Apprehensions are there, it is true. That is why I asked that “only if I am allowed to”.
Naturally I was asking for consensus of the members and the Moderators in this connection. I would be presenting arguments from Quran, from NTBible, from history, archaeology, medicine etc. etc and of course the above would be with a reference to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the pioneer in this topic. My friends disagreeing with me would also present their arguments, peacefully, I am sure.
I am still seeking the desired consensus, if possible? Though, I don’t insist.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi - a peaceful faith in Islam working for unity of all the revealed religions of the world with peaceful means.

You have asked for opinions on being able to discuss this subject, I think you have just received a few. Speaking as a moderator, while I will not discourage your Point of View, I do think that this board would be an unwise place for such discussion. I mentioned the Liberal Christianity board, the regular participants there are not quite as threatened by the position you take. Another has offered the Comparative board, which is intended specifically for such matters of debate. The choice is yours as to where you wish to discuss this matter, I simply feel it would be better received elsewhere than here. There are matters of etiquette that need to be followed in order to maintain peace, this you wish to discuss would not be polite or peaceful in this board. I fully understand your wish to participate in a peaceful manner, I have long watched your posts, and I feel you are not intentionally threatening. Even so, there are some subjects that are not well received in Christianity, just as I am certain there are some subjects that are not well received in Islam. What you are trying to do, whether you mean to or not, is the same as me posting a defamatory cartoon of Mohammed on the Islam board. I think we both know what that would cause; what you will do is just the same, as you have already begun to see. So I ask, as a friend, to take this subject elsewhere to discuss. There are two places that have been offered in exchange, the Liberal Christianity board and the Comparative board...the choice is yours.