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  1. citizenzen

    The Present Age Passing Away

    I give up. I will retire from IO and leave you to wallow in subjectivity with others to your hearts content. Andrew can call everybody idiots and you can 'ooh' and 'aah' over planetary alignments, auras and aliens to your hearts content. Me, I'll try to find a forum where rational...
  2. citizenzen

    The Present Age Passing Away

    Yes. And I said those subjective viewpoints are totally cool. Yes. Exactly. And because of the predictive nature of planetary orbits it's possible for me to be very sure (though not 100% sure) that Victor is wrong even before that day arrives. However, if for some unexpected reason these...
  3. citizenzen

    The Present Age Passing Away

    This is the key point. If the OP, Victor, wanted to claim that he'd had visions and contact with God, there isn't anyway I could prove him wrong. If Andrew wanted to claim he'd been in contact with aliens or Q1 wanted to claim his faith in his son was fulfilled, that's totally cool. Those...
  4. citizenzen

    The Present Age Passing Away

    No. I think this one needs to be explored more fully. The discussion earlier concerned scientific evidence. From wikipedia ... Scientific evidence Scientific evidence has no universally accepted definition but generally refers to evidence which serves to either support or counter a...
  5. citizenzen

    The Present Age Passing Away

    I understand that you had faith (high hopes) and it turned out in that case that your hopes were fulfilled. But what does that have to do with proof? Sometimes our hopes and dreams are fulfilled, sometimes they are not. Had your hopes not been fulfilled ... if your son had not done well ...
  6. citizenzen

    The Present Age Passing Away

    In all three cases (whimsy, folly, and faith) there are no "facts" that can be produced to "back it". That is why it's called "faith". From dictionary.com ... faith - belief that is not based on proof. What facts do you or anyone else have that proves these "things as yet unseen"...
  7. citizenzen

    The Present Age Passing Away

    Or faith. And there's nothing wrong with faith. It's just helps to be able to distinguish between it and science.
  8. citizenzen

    The Present Age Passing Away

    Any example that I can ... [ahem] ... cross-check? Another post filled with bluster and put-downs, yet not one shred of evidence that you claim to throughly have investigated. Sorry Andrew, bullying people might have worked for you in grade school, but in forums I think you'll find it far...
  9. citizenzen

    The Present Age Passing Away

    Occasionally, however, he does provide something like "... did you know that there is a star in the constellation Pleiades which is the central system around which our system orbits?" which is easily proven as false with just a modicum of fact-checking. But who am I to question the knowledge of...
  10. citizenzen

    Do you agree with me or with the other person

    As I mentioned in another thread, spells should be run through a cross-cut shredder, so no one could dig it out of the trash, piece it back together, and use it against you.
  11. citizenzen

    The Present Age Passing Away

    It's hard to agree to something I'm not familiar with. Perhaps you could define these concepts as you understand them, and then we'll see.
  12. citizenzen

    Karma

    What is that purpose?
  13. citizenzen

    Karma

    That may be a key difference here. Zen Buddhists don't believe in a "higher" self or soul. We don't believe in recording devices or afterlife plans, just the basic fumbling and stumbling most of us go through in life.
  14. citizenzen

    The Present Age Passing Away

    That depends entirely on what prophets you're referring to and what they had to say. History is littered with false prophets, people who took advantage of others thirst for gnosis. Skepticism isn't born out of the desire to refuse all matters spiritual. It is born out of the desire to...
  15. citizenzen

    Karma

    Yes. And this is an interfaith forum, where we have the opportunity to compare and contrast our beliefs. Although I do see now that I am in the Hindu section. If my questions offend, I apologize. If you don't mind discussing the differences, then I am curious.
  16. citizenzen

    Karma

    So what is the purpose of life if its already mapped out before we're born? What is the role of free will? What is the value of living if our higher selves already appear to know so much before we ever exit the womb?
  17. citizenzen

    Karma

    This is exactly what I think Karma is not. A record? Where is this record kept? Who is keeping it? How does this record know how and when to extract its reward? How does your karmic record influence others to cooperate in its designs?
  18. citizenzen

    The Present Age Passing Away

    Moving on ... I was not familiar with this concept, so I did a little exploration and eventually ran across something known to as the "Photon Belt". Is this what you're talking about Andrew?
  19. citizenzen

    The Present Age Passing Away

    And yet when i suggest that celestial movement is natural, you respond with three consecutive posts that do nothing but bash. You suggested that I have my head up my ass ... said I was genuinely ignorant ... quasi-minded ... that I make you sick, puke sick ... that I disgust you ... that I...
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