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  1. Devils' Advocate

    The Creation of Evil

    I like the concept about the subconscious being your spirit mind. You have mentioned many times that your version of Christianity is not the typical Baptist kind of thing. Where Bush was using more that Western definition.
  2. Devils' Advocate

    The Creation of Evil

    Aussie, the above is what makes me very, very nervous about people who claim to have a one on one relationship with God. All too often it is what your subconscious wants more than it is any deity responding.
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    New Scientific Theory Suggests Consciousness Does Not End at Death.

    Agnostic is more for the I'm really not sure crowd.
  4. Devils' Advocate

    Passings

    The first man to orbit the earth!
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    The Creation of Evil

    So I'm probably getting this wrong. What I comprehend from what you are saying is that he built this reality this way with all the pain and suffering on purpose. To remind people that the ultimate peaceful harmony is somewhere else (i.e. heaven?).
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    The Creation of Evil

    These two statements say opposite things. The first says you do not get a direct answer from the big G. An answer is given to you by someone/thing in the world around you. That is not one on one conversation. The second statement says you do speak one on one with the big G all the time. This...
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    The Creation of Evil

    Now you know I don't believe in gods. For the sake of having this discussion in this thread I am accepting that such a divinity exists. If there were a god, how might he do things differently from the way the world is. Even if I did believe in a god, why would I ask him anything? The number of...
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    The Creation of Evil

    I understand why you feel that way. I do bang on about the natural world. It's not that I see it as some natural Nirvana that is perfect if humans weren't screwing it up. It comes across that way because I am responding to people whose comments are putting concepts upon the natural world that I...
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    The Creation of Evil

    Not necessarily. God could have created any reality he felt like. He could easily have created an abundance of resources for all. As per my prior post, picking apart a scenario I threw together in three minutes is pointless. That scenario was never meant to stand the test of scrutiny. The point...
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    The Creation of Evil

    Not sure. Some microscopic critters in water you drink are more likely to harm you than the other way around. Still as I suggested, it was just a very fast, off the top of my head, possible example. It wasn't meant to be a full fledged theory; rather a general concept around how life might...
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    The Creation of Evil

    One could argue it's the best of all possible worlds? Yes! I could argue there are thousands of other variants of a reality that is not as violent as this reality. There is no reason an all powerful God could not bring forth a creation that did not require predator and prey. Plants need water...
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    The Creation of Evil

    I have always had a particularly difficult issue with this scenario. Why god decided that all the future generations of humankind must suffer the consequences of just two individuals who screwed up seems a grossly unfair, unloving, indeed malicious action. And on top of that this same god...
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    The Creation of Evil

    Yes it rules out 'deliberate evil' amongst non-human beings. Again the very concept of evil is a human construct. It has nothing to do with being pleasant or otherwise. Point is carnivores are meat eaters. Which means they must kill meat on the hoof (No McTigers yet to my knowledge) o_O and...
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    The Creation of Evil

    No it wasn't a thread. It was a post in one of the recent threads. The problem with Justin's comments in the op are based on a fallacy. That being we humans should judge the actions in the animal world through the eyes, feelings and mores of a human. Animals do not do evil things. Not ever...
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    The Creation of Evil

    Okay. It is my belief that the very first thing here is to separate the natural state of man and lump the natural state of the entire rest of the biosphere as two separate, indeed unrelated categories. Indeed I recently made a post, which I will try and find, stating that the natural world is...
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    In the beginning

    Justin my issue with your post #74 is that it rather states that various portions of the Bible are to be accepted literally, while other sections are to be accepted metaphorically. The latter mostly to do with what science has proven to be impossible in the biblical version. This strikes me as a...
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    New Scientific Theory Suggests Consciousness Does Not End at Death.

    Now this statement, cannot agree so much. lol. The 'logical' proposal is an attempt to explain the scientific reason for what is happening in our reality. It does not address any spiritual/religious intelligence either for or against. I think there is a general confusion and false equivalency...
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    New Scientific Theory Suggests Consciousness Does Not End at Death.

    I don't think so, though I'm not sure actually. Far as I know the mass needed must exist in each separate dimension. If there even are all these extra dimensions; which is one of those current theories that 'the math' suggests but I am having a hard time accepting. Until and unless more evidence...
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    New Scientific Theory Suggests Consciousness Does Not End at Death.

    Interesting that you should bring this up. A quite recent discovery may have implications if dark energy is needed after all. Or at the very least, not as much as we thought was needed. As you know there is not enough matter in the universe to explain everything that is going on. Hence the...
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    In the beginning

    Agreed. Though a militant 'anyone' is not going to get much respect from me, nor much of my attention. I would think that as a 'theist' you are indeed NOT being picky or ridiculous for having serious issues with the anthropic version of reality. :D Being a theist, it makes sense to me that you...
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