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Is this bibleserachers again? No. There's no such thing as the Roman Church of the Emperor Constantine. It's a web meme, a sure sign of prejudice and poor scholarship. Why do you place such store in Robert Mock MD?

@The Anointed – Sorry if the above comes across a bit harsh, but there it is. If you want, we can examine the material on the biblesearchers site, and I can point the reasons for my doubts about its credibility.

Not quite. The brackets were added – although not in all English translations, but your post implies the brackets and the phrase bracketed is an interpolation – it's not – so your claim about false teaching is itself false. Ah ... the biblesearchers website? Really? Not an ounce of credibility...

OK.

This is interesting: N.T. Wright on Paul's Trinitarian theology. Both Arians and Nicenes are technically Trinitarians. If you want to go into Origen, that's a whole other can of worms. I see your point, but you have to factor in a whole lot of evidence of political gamesmanship – arguments...

Welcome aboard! Care to pop a few words into the Intro thread?

The content of the Second Sirmium Council and its creed is from Athanasius. EDIT: My error – it's also contained in Hilary of Poiiter's De Synodis but he was the 'Hammer of the Arians' so I'm not sure what credence you afford him. I've detailed the history. You make no mention of Constantius'...

But were they not called Christians anyway? How can you know what they believed or didn't believe when you dismiss all the evidence? Yep. And the Arian camp asserted Nicene belief was a heresy. tick-tock Well more than that. An inspired philosophical piece of prose, summing up the Incarnation...

I know, and I've pointed out the inherent contradiction. C'mon ... Let's not make Arianism about ... Arius? Convenient. Sorry, this is getting boring ... But also , if so, why do you argue in defence of something you cannot know?

One can access The Secret Doctrine online here and at various sources. (Personally I'd avoid the fundamentally racist Anthropogenesis.)

I've moved the @muhammad_isa v @Thomas Arian discussion to its own thread.

OK. Let's read further the Second Simium Confession: that in divine Scripture nothing is written about them, and that they are above men’s knowledge and above men’s understanding; and because no one can declare the Son’s generation, as it is written, ‘Who shall declare His generation?’ (Isaiah...

OK. We agree Salome is the wife of Zebedee, mother of James and John. The tradition says she's one of the three daughters of Anna, but that's just tradition, without any secure foundation. But I see no evidence there is a Salome, sister of Jesus? LOL, rather a lot of eisegesis going on here...

There's a start. Can you reference the evidence supporting your claim that the phrase as was supposed is a later interpolation? Yes, reference the sources, please. OK. I gave an opinion, really to show that opinions count for nothing. The tradition that Joachim and Anna are the parents of...

I'm not, I agree that we have different perspectives, and was offering an example. I'm not utterly enamoured of some aspects of our early history – and less so of later days – but nor do I see Arians as angels and the tragic victims. Arius philosophy was just too Platonic, essentially...

Er ... the material I've asked you to reference? That "Mary and her half-brother Joseph who were both sired by Alexander Helios III" for a start. It's not unreasonable to ask someone to substantiate the claims they make when those claims are somewhat outrageous. IMHO the genealogy you offered...

Quite probably. OK. In which case I'll go with wiki's view on the early expansion of Islam: "The spread of Islam spans about 1,400 years. Muslim war conquests, genocide, ethnic cleansing and forced conversions of indigenous Central Asians and South Asians following Muhammad's death led to the...

Salome is, IMO, wife of Zebedee, mother of James and John, and sister of Mary the mother of Jesus. I think you've confused your Johns? IMO Mary the mother of the John Mark of Scripture was a wealthy widow in Jerusalem. John Mark is not the John of the Gospels. A cousin, not a nephew. And...

Only because it's so one-sided. The Arians held a succession of state-sponsored councils which dictated Doctrine ... the world believes what the emperor believes, if it knows what's good for it! But the point clearly is, neither Arian or Nicene emperors determined what was believed – the Church...