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Murder and adultery............. serious repentance? .....hundreds of laws overlooked, but adultery....... That's right up there with murder? Atheists and non-theists didn't really need to question this idea....... we just needed to leave it in your hands, Muhammad.

How about better coach and bus services? Maybe distance travel will reduce, and as far as local travel is concerned, so many neighbours have their shopping delivered etc. Private vehicles just might become too expensive for many folks....?

Classic cars over twenty five years age were free from road tax until about 1980ish, but then our gov froze the registration year that classics after a certain date have to keep paying.

Sure...... Ours offered wonderful perks to encourage domestic solar generating, and once there were many installed it withdrew many of those benefits. It will have to do the same with EVs I think.

I'm surprised about the above. The UK (Europe possibly) is really trying to help EVs with no road taxation, etc. I have not heard about insurance worries about lithium batteries ....... yet! No registration or insurance for mopeds? Anything with a motor that can exceed 15mph has to be...

Yes..... E motors sure do have punch. My little artisan is classed as a moped but at traffic lights it can pull away alongside a fairly large motorcycle. Because speed limits of 20, 30 and 40mph exist within the two towns and one city where I live this little machine is just brilliant, but I...

The times they are are changin'...... technology wise. Wifey wants to hang on to her Jimny until it blows up and gets buried; then it will be time to look at E-cars..... battery technology will most likely double and redouble over the next few years. So will prices of course. Vehicle...

If, Muhammad...... IF. Could you enlarge on 'Eventual Justice'? What crimes with have to answer to 'Justice' in such a situation? Polygamy? Polyamory? Pre-marital sex? A lady who followed fashion? A shoplifter?

You didn't get that? I wrote:- So let's look at a person who takes their religion seriously, and for example believes that unbelievers can die . ..and you didn't get the point. Oh well..........

Have you ever heard about reinforced prejudice? I researched this condition over many years and wrote articles about it. A customs officer/policeman/store detective reckons that he can pick out bad people on sight, never wrong, and is certain that,say, young men with facial tattoos are always...

So let's look at a person who takes their religion seriously, and for example believes that unbelievers can die . This isn't working too well for you, imo.

So what difference does this belief make to the theist in life, if it doesn't make them a better, lawful, decent, ethical and moral person?

Which is already shown, on both sides of this discussion. Everybody seems to agree that any person of sound reason of mind is capable of deciding what actions are ethical and moral, and which are not. I didn't notice why Aup started this thread but presumably somebody suggested that there is...

There we are, you cannot answer a simple question and so you redirect away from it. Come on, please tell us all which laws are petty and which laws are serious. ??

Well now........ there is life after death, but not as you are claiming, imo. When I die countless billions of atoms will be scattered all over the Thames estuary, so long as my Missus doesn't put them in a pot in the garden. And each and every one of them is teaming with.......life.

Yep..... this^^^^^ And as far as prison statistics go, it's not a bad idea for inmates to claim a religion because this gets them more opportunities to go to various ceremonies, services, etc, to help time pass by. So we could never count the number of true theists being involved in crimes.

That more or less, is what I wrote. My point here is that theists on this thread agree that anybody can make moral judgements for themselves, regardless of theism or atheism. Ergo, Morality (and lawfulness/lawlessness)...... has nothing to do with atheism.

No no....... Divine Justice clearly isn't true, and that surely releases millions of people to live the lives that they want and need to live. You don't know any such thing. Pettiness? You must tell us all which laws are petty and which laws are serious, and how did you receive all this...

But 'divine justice' in afterlife is just crank. Honest, decent, moral men and women being judged because they loved and partnered with their own sex? Divine judgement? That's just one example of how warped the idea is. I think that it has already been established that all and any people can...

I don't think that prison stats offer an accurate picture, wil, because there are benefits in claiming to follow a religion in prison.