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  1. IowaGuy

    why the bible is not needed for morality

    Natural Moral LAW does not imply nuances. As used by conservative Christians it does not allow for subjective truth or subjective morality. That is one of my main objections to the concept. In fact the Catholic Church has said that moral relativism is dangerous to society. I do think there...
  2. IowaGuy

    why the bible is not needed for morality

    Do you not think NML or your "law written on their hearts" implies a right and wrong answer to moral questions? Let's try an easier example then. Does NML, or your "conscience, law written on their hearts" imply that there is a right and wrong answer to: it is immoral to kill another...
  3. IowaGuy

    God to You

    Hi Ben. IMHO your arguments, as Etu suggests, are actually stronger for agnosticism than for theism: Argument #1: "I don't have all the facts to deny that God is the Creator of the universe" Noboy has all the facts to prove or disprove the existence of God. I would go so far as to say God's...
  4. IowaGuy

    why the bible is not needed for morality

    * IG’s disclaimer: none of the following is a personal attack * Natural Moral Law implies that for every moral question there is a “RIGHT” and a “WRONG”, i.e. absolute morality. It’s one thing to say that something exists; it’s another entirely to say that it can be known; and it’s another...
  5. IowaGuy

    why the bible is not needed for morality

    "Law" implies there is a right and wrong answer. At least that's the implication of "law written on their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness" in Romans 2:15. How about this: Joe believes homosexuality is immoral. Bob believes some humans are born homosexual and it is perfectly...
  6. IowaGuy

    why the bible is not needed for morality

    Humans have been on the planet for an estimated 200,000 years. Whereas the bible was written 2,000-3,000 years ago, depending on the particular chapter. Are you saying there was no root or base for morality for 197,000 years of human existence?
  7. IowaGuy

    God to You

    Subjugation of the masses is easier if they believe in "absolute truth". i.e. "I have the truth, follow me" or "God is on our side, they are our enemy." Any religious wars, with "God" on their particular side, use that logic. Much more difficult to subjugate the masses if people actually...
  8. IowaGuy

    No! It was a sword in the field

    I see your ghosts but to me they look like aliens with a long pointy head, raising their hand as if taking an oath. The one on the right looks like he's taking a pee on Africa :eek:
  9. IowaGuy

    Magic(k) in YOUR Religion?

    I'm very interested in the Native American cultures and their concept of the Great Spirit/Wankan Tanka. I personally try to live with the seasons in mind as much as possible. As you alluded to: sleep more in the winter, less in the summer. Long hair/beard in winter for warmth; shaved face & head...
  10. IowaGuy

    The Reincarnated Amazing Pseudo-Haiku Thread

    sitting on barrels toasted French oak, scent sublime waiting for some wine
  11. IowaGuy

    God to You

    Well, there ARE variables affecting how fire burns: oxygen and fuel and the presence of a flame. Does fire burn on the moon or on mars? And it is definitely NOT hidden, I can see it burning in front of me. So how is "fire burns" absolute truth according to your definitions above? :confused: Care...
  12. IowaGuy

    The Two Truths

    He definitely wasn't atheist, he felt atheists "miss the wonder of the world". But his idea of "God" is very different than the personal God of Christianity. Here are some of my favorite quotes of his dealing with this issue: “My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable...
  13. IowaGuy

    Proposed Prayer Study

    Luecy - do you agree that a sugar pill has the power to heal through the placebo effect (i.e. the human mind is responsible)? Or do you think divine intervention is what causes a sugar pill to heal someone?
  14. IowaGuy

    Proposed Prayer Study

    Re: human nature - inherently good or evil? If prayer is as Luecy claims, that is, only a function of the power God gives it, then Group C will show the same results as Group A (both prayed for). If God is not at work, then Group C will show the same results as Group D (neither told they...
  15. IowaGuy

    Proposed Prayer Study

    I disagree 100%. Therefore the point of the proposed study. In my opinion/experience, prayer has no power except what humans give it. Humans can give a sugar pill power to heal through the placebo effect. Similarly they can give prayer power to heal through the placebo effect. But it is...
  16. IowaGuy

    God to You

    I think another variable is one's view of absolute vs. relative truth. If one believes in absolute truth (and many times the view that "absolute truth" was revealed in their scripture), then if someone else uses an alternative interpretation they are "wrong" since I am "right". i.e. their...
  17. IowaGuy

    Gravity - absolute truth?

    Is death not provable? Is human death not an absolute truth?
  18. IowaGuy

    why the bible is not needed for morality

    Would you consider "natural moral law" the same as "conscience"? Is "natural moral law" relative to a particular society at a particular place in time? Does "natural moral law" come from a creator ("God"), or do humans develop it on their own?
  19. IowaGuy

    why the bible is not needed for morality

    A counter-argument to the morality argument for a God (from a Christian standpoint) in "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist": Not only is a biblical standard for morality predicated on “absolute truth”, but even once we get past the absolute truth prerequisite, counterpoints for moral...
  20. IowaGuy

    Proposed Prayer Study

    It's all in the name of science, Luecy ;) I'm not saying this study will ever be carried out (not by me at least), but I present it as a hypothetical situation to stimulate discussion of what the "power" of prayer really is - a function of mind or a function of divine intervention. Without a...
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