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That doesn't count, because actually the story says that Jesus talked to 5000 one time. Even if you don't get famous from talking to more than a thousand, obviously anyone who talked to 5000 one time would have been famous.

There might be people who haven't seen all the reasons for thinking that Jesus did not exist. Is that what you mean? If so, then it seems to me that the best way for them to see those reasons is just explain them. I'll do some research and try to do that, myself.

So your purpose in this thread is only to try to convince Christians that Jesus did not exist. I don't see any reason then for me to respond any more to your posts. I would if it were in some other forum, but not in the Christian forum.

Good question. My answer is that we couldn't. I've never seen or heard of any historian, or anyone here, saying that they are accurate. Now I'm confused again about what your question is. What Jesus are you talking about? Are you asking for evidence that a person named Jesus did miracles? Are...

Wait ... you believe that there was a census, because the Bible says so? Do you have any other reasons for thinking that there was a census that would have the name of Jesus in it? And what would that prove even if there was? What could there be in the census that would prove that it was one of...

I can't think of any examples of what that could be, if it isn't documents or artifacts from that area at that time with his name in them or on them. Can you? That's one thing we agree on.

Do you honestly think that you might possibly see any arguments here that you haven't seen many times before? I ask you again, why are you wasting our time, if it isn't only just to debate about it, going in the same circles that we've all seen many times before?

That doesn't answer my question. Do you think that if people in that area at that time were claiming that someone was doing those miracles, no matter if he really was doing them or not, do you think that if people in that area at that time were saying that, that we would have documents or...

Now I'm wondering, if we don't have any documents or artifacts from that area at that time, about a person named "Jesus," Is that a reason for you to think that the gospel stories were not handed down from stories about a real person?

Maybe I'm getting it now. Maybe you're thinking that if the gospel stories were passed down from stories about a real person named Jesus, we would have documents or artifacts from that area dated from that time about a person named Jesus, from non-Christian sources that could not possibly by any...

I accidentally replied to myself.

I want to try again to see if I understand your question. Are you asking for documents or artifacts dated from that time, about a person such that we can be sure that the gospel stories were passed down from stories about him?

I’m not sure what your argument is here. Is it “If someone did those miracles, it would be recorded in writings that we have today from people who didn’t believe they really happened”? Or is it “If a guy named Jesus from Galilee was going around giving public talks and private lessons like the...

I haven't checked, but if there was any census of that area at that time, I doubt that we would have any copies of that now. At that time? About what was happening in and between Galilee and Jerusalem? That we have copies of? I don't think so. Physical traces of what? Someone giving public...

I'd like to see what evidence there is for anything that any historians say about life in and between Galilee and Jerusalem in the years 20-33 CE, any name of anyone who lived there, or anything that happened there.

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I think the simple answer to that is no. There aren't any verifiable eyewitness accounts for anything that happened in and between Galilee and Jerusalem at that time. If I'm understanding correctly, there isn't anything that you would call "evidence" for the existence of Jesus, and you already...

What I actually think is that Jesus was a person who walked the earth, with all the authority, power, knowledge and wisdom of God, and that the gospels mostly contain lessons that He actually taught. If any of the miracles did not happen physically, they started as parables told by Jesus and...

@Thomas Thanks for discussing this with me. It’s challenging for me because I don’t actually think that Christianity had any other origin than a Jesus who walked the earth. One of my reasons for that is that there is nothing in writings against heresies about a Jesus who did not walk the earth...