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Found the Latin for Seneca. It was Seneca's 'MARCIAM DE CONSOLATIONE' and wasn't the sixth section in either of the books I have nor, the html at Latin Library. That's what happens when numbnuts copy and paste until the reference loses its detail. Anyway.. Video istic cruces ne unius quidem...

LOL I'm rested now so I'll go look to Seneca in Latin (it'll be awhile, I suck at numerals and the numbering is never the same as the reference), but now I found another latin source that I can't find in the original language. Plutarch made a statement - supposedly, can't find the reference -...

I've been all interested in this now. I found a quote by Seneca, and I'm assuming he used the latin word crux, but I don't have the original text. If anyone has a clue, I'd like to hear it: I see crosses there, not just of one kind but made in many different ways: some have their victims with...

Well, among the early Christian symbols was an anchor that apologists claim disguised a 'T' crucifix. Its surprising how little certainity surrounds the symbol. The cross salute has been said to pre-date the actual image - if you interpret Tertullian's comment of 'making the sign on the...

Those who are 'pro' cross point to symbols in ruined homes of Pompeii and Herculaneum. But others say these marks could've just been imprints from shelves. LOL Then there's the crosses on tombs in Palestine. Those could just be later forgeries by the pious. Some Christians point to first...

You didn't annoy me! I was just saying the discussion was frustrating. Jeez, now I feel like a huge ass. I'm sorry if I offended you in the other thread. I sincerely apologize.

No, I'm sorry. :( It wasn't you. It was just the discussion in general. I don't want to be the ass that offends you and makes you uncomfortable to post here. Although, since everyone who initiated the discussion took off, we might put it on hold. As an act of contrition let me ask you to tell...

Is it Erenaeus or Irenaeus? Iranaeous? Which is more proper? And on a slightly related note, what would be a better rendering of Mohammed? Mahomet? Muhammed? Mahomed? Mohomed? M'ahmed?

The historical evidence shows basically a whole assortment of different means of crucifixion. Wood would've been precious in that neck of the woods so it probably wasn't just a tree with a cross beam. The Romans sometimes used a pre-fab cruficixion set they brought with them into occupied...

I was getting irritated over the discussion, so I went and read through Jerome's commentaries. Talk about perspective. Especially his exchanges with Augustine (no, not part of the commentaries, really). As far as disagreements go we're keeping good company, and being far more civil about it.

Yup. I could point out instances where the Greek fails to a likely extent. That's the ultimate problem with venerating literal words, the meaning of which will inevitably become subjective.

Ben with all due respect you've been copying and pasting things that repeat themselves without addressing the rebuttal I've presented. I even found the sites that you copied directly from -before noticing you included the link - that are greatly dishonest in their approach. The reason those...

Not a thing. I still haven't found the actual interpolated chapters of Enoch that mention him. I was going to ask bananabrain what his view was, but... there's only so much material out there, I can't imagine any of it escaped notice.

Re: I have changed! My problem early on was that I wasn't use to people acting like asses. I'd never been insulted so bluntly to my face (figuratively speaking). That rarely happens in the real world. If I ever met someone in real life who said something to the effect, 'Jews are descended from...

Ben's off so I'm talking to myself just now, but I have no life so I wanted to add some more observations. First off, I'd never heard of Colwell's rule until this discussion. So, that's a lesson for me. It states as follows, 'definite predicate nouns which precede the verb usually lack the...

I was thinking, if one were to ignore the nominative form (of logos coming second and possessing the only definite article in the statement), and claim its a transcription error in grammar, one could say that John 1:1 means to say 'and godly was the word' or 'and the word was godly'. How...

I forgot to comment on Elohim in reference to angels and then my 'edit' option disappeared. Ignoring the fact that by JW standards, the gospel authors refrained from using the greek word for angel, opting instead for 'theos' and thus implying that there's some unspoken distinguishing...

I honestly can't imagine the scholarly consensus on the Greek term 'theos' would side with that opnion. Especially, not in the case of John 1:1. Its not a matter of 'misunderstanding' among an English speaking audience, its the Greek rule. Its not 'limited' to deity, its defined as 'deity'. John...

Re: Terribly embarrassing question I got an e-mail that said I was suspended, and kinda thought, hmmm, maybe they'll lift it. LOL I never got in contact with anyone. I was burned so many times I didn't want to harp on it. They'd probably have let me back if I'd have asked, but... any question...

Ah! Very cool insight. Thanks. The more possibilities the less any one in particular seems more likely.