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Wasn't there even a brief period in Christianity when the orthodox thought John's gospel had been written by Cerinthus? The Gospel of John is a pain because it introduces the method of symbolism. In no other gospel is there the claim that Jesus' reference to the temple pertains to his body. So...

First Edie Brickell and now this. Sir, just go dig your grave and I'll be there shortly with the shotgun. LOL Kidding, only kidding. I've enjoyed your posts greatly.

Oh, no, sorry, I misspoke. When I replied to Ben's comment on secret books, I digressed into the realm of the extra-biblical. Although! The Darbyists do have Darby and his writing, but all he'd claim to be is a 'revealer' of the holy writ. There's the rumor of books on the 'secret' rapture in...

http://www.comparative-religion.com/articles/joseph_of_arimathea.php

I spent almost an hour once trying to remember the name of that. I even looked on wikipedia.

Well, off the top of my head, Jesus ushered in the doctrine of hell, regulated by innumerable variation on what to believe, making it virtually impossible among the various sects of Christianity and Islam to know exactly what to accept in order to be spared an eternity of burning alive. While...

Sure! :) I'm assuming you mean about Darbyists' extra-biblical stuff. The first thing that comes to mind are the Tim Lahaye books that have been riding the best-seller list for awhile now. According to the Darbyist doctrine, the gospel Jesus was just meant for the people of the era in which...

I take from everything, and what's true--I keep. I look at the concept of identity as something icky. Trying to not to be defined is how I define myself, I guess. I don't want to be pigeon-holed, either, unless I'm just visiting.

Two words. LOL Sergius and Bacchus. http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/scotts/ftp/wpaf2mc/serge.html

Then why the doctrine of 'they changed it to deliberately mislead the world'? I've read pamphlet after pamphlet on that subject. I addressed that in another thread. I disagree with the first contention but agree with the second. Doctrine, especially of the trinity was clearly added late in the...

Eh, that's subjective. No way would a Jew of the era hear the constant 'I am'-ing and not think something of it. Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

This is interesting, because I disagree that any let alone all of the recognized messengers of the middle-eastern God were any of those things. But the catch-22 is that neither was Mohomet, so I guess two wrongs make a right in this case. His nuance as recorded in the various hadith don't make...

And you gotta love Irenaeus' line of reasoning for the number of the gospels. Four winds? Four corners of the flat earth? Of course! No more reason for the various sects to fight now, since all their books are one, despite the contradiction between them. Nevermind the man behind the curtain. LOL...

No! No mas da Vinci Code! LOL I've always taken the reference to Jesus' brothers and sisters as meaning what it says. I figure that if the gospel author wanted to clarify that it was a figurative usage or they were only his half-siblings, then he would have done so. The point Jesus seems to...

Well, I was thinking sharia, though even in the context you spoke of there's the potential of whoever has the most influence can shout down the dissenter as against god. A handful of squabbling clerics aren't the most trustworthy lot I can think of. Far too many bodies on the pyre of heresy in...

Venturing off topic, I read those links and one brought this up: I disagree with both groups on this. Sheol is neither a netherworld nor a hell. Moreover, when hell shows up, its translated from Gehenna, an actual physical place on earth where the faithless were burned. Brian wrote a thing...

Re: church and state That might make a good thread for the politics section, because that's a interesting subject that's come up currently in America. The faith of the founding fathers, etc. I won't bring it back up here, but I just gotta say I truly believe from what I've read (including...

Well, in religious law, questioning religious law is in fact an infraction of religious law. LOL Thus the virtue of the godless rule of the land.

Well, that's why I made this thread. I was reading The Harlot by the Side of the Road by Jonathn Kirsch (friend gave it to me, kinda young but an easy read) and among other things noted how the story of David is gradually 'cleaned up' in tradition. The Hebrew heroes don't look like heroes by...

I disagree with the trinity, but finally someone replied to poor ole Bruce. Good job.