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Hi, Awaiting_the_fifth. I'm deeply appreciative of your post describing the process you went through in abandoning your belief in God. I'm in the throes of doing just that, and find it rough going. I've gone through and am still in each of your four steps. Think of the simultaneous...

There are so many ways to take this question! We -- collective we? As in the entire human race? -- or just those of us involved in this discussion? Know -- as in "can be verified," "can be proven," "can be supported by evidence"? Or as in "seems right to me," "it's just an inner knowing,"...

Thank you all for the lively discussion started by my question. It seems, though, that we're diverging from my original thought, so I'll restate it. Why is it okay for "beliving in things not seen" to be exempt from "show me evidence for what you want me to believe"? peace to you all press

Why? Religionists of all stripes maintain that faith is not nor should be subject to logical thinking. A subsidiary question is "Is it all right to ask even this question?" It seems to me that faith should be subject to reason the same as any other thing is. I don't think that...

Just thought I'd share with my thread-siblings that I'm in contact with Eric Barger, the man who wrote the letter to Mallary that got this started. I've shared with him some of our thoughts here (without sharing identities) and we have agreed to dialog a bit. After we get to know each other a...

Right. Right again. Right for the third time, Stephen. I'd say your two cents are more like two dollars -- at least, in my book. peace, press

Your siggy says . . . He Looked beyond my fault and saw my need. Perhaps that's the best answer to whether or not the Bible is true, or God exists, or any of these questions that plague us endlessly. peace, press

Hi, Saltmeister. What I mean is that the Bible is the word (lower case "w") that comes from God, and not the Word (capital "W") of God, the Logos, the "in the beginning"-ness of Jesus. Most of what you say is true, I think. At least what you said about the book. I challenge you...

I like the distinction you point out, TE. I think it's a good way to look at the "issue." (Quotation marks because what you're saying, I think, is that the fact that there is an issue at all is due to just a few career atheists.) peace, press

Very poetic, and heartfelt, too. Here's what my heart says to me. I give it voice here because I want it to be informed by what you say. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Long ago and far away (with apologies to George Lucas) a young boy opened his eyes for the first time. Mother, warm. Father, strong...

How interesting that you put it that way. The Greeks said that music (along with mathematics) was one of the four great areas of learning that all must complete (or begin) in order to be truly educated. And they combined the two. A fifth (a note and the one five tones above it) was considered...

I'm coming to this thread just today (11/26), and am enjoying the back-and-forthness of it. juantoo3, your quote above reminds me of something a dear, departed friend once said. He wrote music for Christian children's choirs, as do I from time to time. I found a news item some years ago...

Quite right. Arthur C. Clarke (inventer of the telecommunications satellite and author of 2001: A Space Odyssey) famously said, "A sufficiently advanced technology will seem like magic to us." Who's to say the things HP can do won't be simply common sense, commonplace children's...

Made me smile to read this. The problem, and there is a problem, is that Mr. Barger isn't engaged in a pastime. He'd deadly serious about converting the world to his set of beliefs. While I will defend to the death his right to hold those beliefs, I will agressively oppose his attempts to...

I've heard of this, but am not familiar with the book(s). In my opinion this is just as crackpot an idea as the HP Is Evil! (HPIE)idea. I suspect it originated in a desire to counter HPIE. J.R.R. Tolkien wrote in the preface to the second edition of The Lord of the Rings that many had accused...

Yay Thomas! I heartily agree. If one did agree with Mr. Barger, then wouldn't it behoove her to be informed about the "enemy"? peace, press

I'm having trouble understanding your point. Can you clarify what you mean? peace, press

*laughs* I went through a very tumultuous time when I learned of such things. Quite upsetting, really, and yet I grew from the experience. I'm in hearty agreement with both sentiments! peace, press

More of us should take this approach. I like that, Bandit. Trying to relate is, possibly, one of the most god-like, Christ-like things we can do. peace, press

Hi, Bandit. It took me a few days to get around to reading your thoughts, and now I'm ready to respond. I think God wants us to know the truth (no captital "t") about how the Bible we have today came to be. Learning about its origins can help us better understand what it says to us...