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The physical resurrection is a sign of the other. The one idea does not exclude the other? Clearly he meant all that too. The resurrection is taken overall in context of the various NT accounts? Other parts of the NT describe a physical resurrection, where Christ is able to choose and control...

The resurrection has been discussed so often. Christ reappeared in a form he could control, he was master of the flesh and could wear it or discard it at will. He ate with people, and invited Thomas to put a hand into the wound of the spear. His appearance to Paul happened after his ascension...

It's impossible to have a proper conversation. Sorry, @Longfellow I don't have time for this sort of 'discussion' Cheers EDIT Corinthians 15 I'm not saying anyone has to believe it. But it's what Paul wrote.

Paul believed it, because he was schizophrenic or whatever? EDIT: So now it turns to a discussion about Paul -- what to believe and what not to believe? Yawn ... I'm done here

Paul believed he encountered the risen Christ. I'm not saying what actually happened, or did not happen. I'm posting what the New Testament actually says. Paul (in all his writings taken in context) was quite plainly talking about Jesus being the physical resurrection. A person can deny that...

Paul believed he was knocked off his horse and blinded, by what?

Do you discount Paul in the passage quoted in post #10 from Hebrews 1-4? Did Jesus speak of himself as just another prophet? What is your interpretation of Jesus's parable of the wicked tenants: “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it...

Do you believe another was to come after him, to fulfill the mission? Do you have anyone in mind? It feels like you're waiting to make some sort of point, but never actually getting there, imo?

That's intense! Well done you :)

Christians regard the Christ as far more than just a prophet called by God to dramatize a message. In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and...

There was obviously a Jerusalem movement that accepted Jesus as the Messiah, but to say it split Jews may be a step too far, imo? Jerusalem became involved in an increasingly violent revolt against Roman rule, including violent faction conflict between Jews, and leading to the destruction of the...

Taking the second part of the thread premise: Maybe Jesus's sacrifice ... helped Jews with the transition to faithfulness without the temple? IMO Jews don't recognise Jesus and so it's a slippery slide to try to infer Jesus into Judaism? It's just not relevant, as a line of reasoning?

Perhaps angels speak in quietness and humility

Some folks think the Christ was more than that Peter came around to Paul's viewpoint in a vision: Peter … became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by...

^^ Sorry I hope that's not taken wrong. I'm talking about the 'enlightened' ones who hear the voice of god to men. Apology for multiple postings

I too almost automatically dismiss anyone who sets themselves up as a 'spiritual teacher' But I have met people who glimpse beyond the veil

I know ;)

Not denying that kooks and charlatans and delusional false messiahs abound ;)

I was at work when my brother was dying. I wasn't functioning properly. I was making mistakes and couldn't do the routine jobs that were easy for me. I was so out-of-whack I had to leave and gp home because I was just wasting materials.Only afterwards did I learn my brother was dying at that...

Furthermore, if the five human senses are the limit of human perception, it means that all our scientific instruments, and telescopes and so on, are in fact really just ingenious extensions of our human senses -- into the infra red and ultra violet and into ranges of sound the human ear cannot...