Proof of intelligent design!

Paladin said:
So very true:rolleyes:

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Agreed. There is something about the mind of the intelligentsia that refuses common sense. it is no wonder then that so many people believe it is perfectly normal to spend over a million dollars to conceal your birth certificate if you have nothing to hide. This mindset just believes what it wants to believe.

How anyone can dispute ID is beyond me and yet they do and hurt so many young minds and hearts in the process. I for one will stick with those like Simone and Einstein. I would be kicked out of the same sites as referred to by the speaker and I guess this is a sign that he hasn't gone off the deep end and is now one of these imaginary enlightened. I'm sure he would appreciate the sense of these excepts:

"Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble." Einstein
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"I believe that one identical thought is to be found--expressed very precisely and with only slight differences of modality-- in. . .Pythagoras, Plato, and the Greek Stoics. . .in the Upanishads, and the Bhagavad Gita; in the Chinese Taoist writings and. . .Buddhism. . .in the dogmas of the Christian faith and in the writings of the greatest Christian mystics. . .I believe that this thought is the truth, and that it today requires a modern and Western form of expression. That is to say, it should be expressed through the only approximately good thing we can call our own, namely science. This is all the less difficult because it is itself the origin of science." Simone Weil....Simone Pétrement, Simone Weil: A Life, Random House, 1976, p. 488
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Paladin said:
So very true:rolleyes:

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IMO, if you believe in the creationism time line... you have serious issues.

But Intelligent Design does not equal Creationism. In fact, Intelligent Design
and Darwinian evolution (through natural selection) are not necessarily mutually
exclusive. Natural Selection just provides a more in depth examination of the evolutionary
proccess. What most people don't realize is that evolution and a belief in God are
perfectly compatible. Only the orthodox views and rigid interpretations of some scriptures
are incompatible with evolution.

Lets not forget, Darwin himself was not an atheist.
 
Okay guys, you know that film was a parody right?

Hello? Anyone home?

Sheesh!
 
Paladin said:
Okay guys, you know that film was a parody right?

Hello? Anyone home?

Sheesh!
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the film isn't a parody, the review of the film you posted was.
Well, technically, it wasn't a parody either but sarcasm. ;)

my point was actually concerning something the "reviewer" said
when he equated intelligent design with creationism. That part
wasnt sarcasm. I havent seen the actual documentary that ben stein
made, so I dont know if he actually even supports creationism or not.
AFAIK, his film is just about Intelligent design.
 
Quite right code, Stein's film was completely serious. I thought for a second there the review was being taken seriously too, but I also thought a smart fellow like yourself would know better, which you do!
 
Hey! I'm new!

I like evolution.

And I like you too.

(The single most penetrating post I have ever written in my entire life.)
 
i'd just like to say that i think that the premise of "ID" is entirely ideological and unscientific. it also flies in the face of the principle of the "hester ha-panim", the hiding of the Divine Face. G!D Is not sitting around tinkering with biology, it is, scientifically, completely unnecessary. these people are looking in the wrong place if they are expecting to find something that couldn't have evolved through darwinian evolution. this is *so* flogging a dead horse.

and, yes, i'm still religious and a Creationist. i'm just not a creationist like the sort of slipcover-clad yahoos that are causing an entirely unnecessary war between science and religion.

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
bananabrain said:
i'm just not a creationist like the sort of slipcover-clad yahoos that are causing an entirely unnecessary war between science and religion.
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You're the special kind of creationist.

Why don't more creationists latch onto the Big Bang as the moment of God's creation? It would seems to satisfy both camps: science and religion. And you don't have to spin desperately in circles trying to explain pesky little issues like fossil records, carbon dating or radioactive decay.
 
citizenzen said:
You're the special kind of creationist.

Why don't more creationists latch onto the Big Bang as the moment of God's creation? It would seems to satisfy both camps: science and religion. And you don't have to spin desperately in circles trying to explain pesky little issues like fossil records, carbon dating or radioactive decay.
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This is your big bang theory in the context of Intelligent Design. The connection is lawful and known.

For her part, Simone Weil, in one of her last essays, wrote:
"Toujours le même infiniment petit, qui est infiniment plus que tout."
[Always the same infinitely small, which is infinitely more than all.]
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citizenzen said:
What is unknown is the meaning of your post.

I'm just dense that way.
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That is the idea. It is easy to crticize ID from a lack of perspective. It is insulting to admit that perhaps our perspective has to grow to appreciate Intelligent Design and leave the question open for ourselves regardless of how insulting it is to do..
 
citizenzen said:
It's easy to criticize ID for its lack of scientific evidence.
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Maybe for you. Perhaps it requires asking the right questions. For example do you know why there are no straight lines in nature and everrything turns in cycles including human reactions that produce both compassion and atrocity? If it is the result of ID one must first understand it before one can deal with it. It requires perspective which you believe you already have.

The advantage of chess is that one can easily prove that a 2600 player understands the game better then a 1600 rated player. In matters of human understanding including the recognition of ID, it requires a greater understanding then one who is content to just complain about it. It is politically correct to consider them equal so many are no longer are willing to contemplate the questions but rather demand shallow dualistic answers. This has nothing to do with the objective validity of ID.
 
it takes faith to believe in macro evolution since there is no hard scientific evidence to prove it. yet people believe in it.
 
Here's another way to look at this. I know IDers think that the scientific community is out to get them and ignores all of their "evidence".

But scientists aren't immune to seeking publicity and fame. Whoever proved the validity of ID would have their name placed in the pantheon of great scientists: Newton, Einstein, and that ID guy (or gal).

There's no shortage of scientists willing to give up their first-born for that kind of acclaim.
 
citizenzen said:
Here's another way to look at this. I know IDers think that the scientific community is out to get them and ignores all of their "evidence".

But scientists aren't immune to seeking publicity and fame. Whoever proved the validity of ID would have their name placed in the pantheon of great scientists: Newton, Einstein, and that ID guy (or gal).

There's no shortage of scientists willing to give up their first-born for that kind of acclaim.
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Consider these three quotations from Einstein:

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.

There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
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He is intelligent enough to know how infantile his intelligence is in comparison to higher intelligence. You cannot see that you are trying to judge the essence of ID from an earthly mind in Plato's cave that lacks intelligence. How can we lacking intelligence grasp the depth of objective intelligent design? But that doesn't inhibit the dominance of our conceit. It is more fun to deny rather then consider how to become more intelligent.
 
Say, aren't you the guy who quoted that "to everything there is a season" stuff?

There is a time for religion. There is a time for science.

If you want to believe that monkeys flew out of Gods behind, I have absolutely no problem with that.

When you try to teach it in schools... secular, state funded schools, that's where I draw the line. Then my perspective starts to narrow and demand that darned thing known as proof. I know, I'm kind of limited that way.

I wonder how far a ID rocket would fly? How well an ID nuclear reactor would run? Sometimes a focused perspective is a good thing.
 
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