What does these 5 scriptures have in common/ what are they saying???

[winner08]

Greetings everyone: This is to all christians out there. I am going to give yall 5 scriptures and I would love for yall to tell me what they say to you.

1. 1John 4:14 and we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the World.

2. 2tim 2:4 God our Saaviour who will have all men to bve saved and come unto the knowledgd of the truth.

3. John 3:17 For God sent His Son into the world to condem not the world , but that the world through Him might be saved.

4. Isaiah 26:9 For when Thy judgement are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

5. John 4:42 for we have heard Him ourselves and know that this is indeed the Christ the Saviour of the world.

Now please understand that these are not my words or my opinions.If you believe that scripture is the inspiered word of God and here are 5 scriptures. I believe in just what theses scriptures say. I believe in each word that makes up these scriptures. All these scriptures have one theme, what is that theme?? What does these 5 scriptures have in common?? What are they saying??

I will tell you what they say to me. They say that God has the power and will save everybody. Everybody being the World. Now if these scriptures say otherwise that God will NOT save everybody then please show me where God says He will NOT save the world (scriptures please) If anyone can show me scriptures where God will not save everybody. Where Christ is NOT the Saviour of the world. Then I will fold up my tent and move on. I will miss yall, but I dont think anyone can do it.

I still would love to know what these 5 scriptures say to yall

 

[mee]

Greetings everyone: This is to all christians out there. I am going to give yall 5 scriptures and I would love for yall to tell me what they say to you.

1. 1John 4:14 and we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the World.

2. 2tim 2:4 God our Saaviour who will have all men to bve saved and come unto the knowledgd of the truth.

3. John 3:17 For God sent His Son into the world to condem not the world , but that the world through Him might be saved.

4. Isaiah 26:9 For when Thy judgement are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

5. John 4:42 for we have heard Him ourselves and know that this is indeed the Christ the Saviour of the world.

Now please understand that these are not my words or my opinions.If you believe that scripture is the inspiered word of God and here are 5 scriptures. I believe in just what theses scriptures say. I believe in each word that makes up these scriptures. All these scriptures have one theme, what is that theme?? What does these 5 scriptures have in common?? What are they saying??

I will tell you what they say to me. They say that God has the power and will save everybody. Everybody being the World. Now if these scriptures say otherwise that God will NOT save everybody then please show me where God says He will NOT save the world (scriptures please) If anyone can show me scriptures where God will not save everybody. Where Christ is NOT the Saviour of the world. Then I will fold up my tent and move on. I will miss yall, but I dont think anyone can do it.

I still would love to know what these 5 scriptures say to yall

Jesus plays a very very big part in the outworking of Gods purpose for the earth that is for sure .




but not everyone will be playing along in unity with them.



"Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, . . . but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance."—2 PETER 3:9.



a change of mind is called for if destruction is not the thing wanted .


Hence, beloved ones, since YOU are awaiting these things, do YOUR utmost to be found finally by him spotless and unblemished and in peace. 2 peter 3;14


Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of man: 27 they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were being given in marriage, until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the flood arrived and destroyed them all.

28 Likewise, just as it occurred in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building. 29 But on the day that Lot came out of Sod´om it rained fire and sulphur from heaven and destroyed them all.
30 The same way it will be on that day when the Son of man is to be revealed.
luke 17;26-30






What is to be destroyed?
It is the worldwide system of things that men have built up on earth—along with all those who uphold it rather than look to God and his promised rule for the earth. (Psalm 73:27, 28)

That is why the phrase "the end of the world," found in some Bible translations, is more accurately rendered in other Bibles as "the end of the age" (NE), "the conclusion of the age" (Ro), "the conclusion of the system of things" (NW).—Matthew 24:3.



The hard fact is that many people prefer to stay with this present system despite its failures and evils. They do not want to turn to righteousness and submit to rule from God
Rightly, God’s patience and mercy have their limits.


It is not a case of God’s taking pleasure in bringing destruction upon mankind.
no he doesnt want that at all


"‘Do I take any delight at all in the death of someone wicked,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘and not in that he should turn back from his ways and actually keep living? . . . So cause a turning back and keep living, O you people.’"—Ezekiel 18:23, 32.





. turning around , repenting ,and changing ones mind is called for.

 

[seattlegal]

Greetings everyone: This is to all christians out there. I am going to give yall 5 scriptures and I would love for yall to tell me what they say to you.

1. 1John 4:14 and we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the World.

2. 2tim 2:4 God our Saaviour who will have all men to bve saved and come unto the knowledgd of the truth.

3. John 3:17 For God sent His Son into the world to condem not the world , but that the world through Him might be saved.

4. Isaiah 26:9 For when Thy judgement are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

5. John 4:42 for we have heard Him ourselves and know that this is indeed the Christ the Saviour of the world.

Now please understand that these are not my words or my opinions.If you believe that scripture is the inspiered word of God and here are 5 scriptures. I believe in just what theses scriptures say. I believe in each word that makes up these scriptures. All these scriptures have one theme, what is that theme?? What does these 5 scriptures have in common?? What are they saying??

I will tell you what they say to me. They say that God has the power and will save everybody. Everybody being the World. Now if these scriptures say otherwise that God will NOT save everybody then please show me where God says He will NOT save the world (scriptures please) If anyone can show me scriptures where God will not save everybody. Where Christ is NOT the Saviour of the world. Then I will fold up my tent and move on. I will miss yall, but I dont think anyone can do it.

I still would love to know what these 5 scriptures say to yall

How do you reconcile those 5 scriptures to these?
BibleGateway.com - KeywordSearch: perdition

 

[Nick_A]

Greetings everyone: This is to all christians out there. I am going to give yall 5 scriptures and I would love for yall to tell me what they say to you.

1. 1John 4:14 and we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the World.

2. 2tim 2:4 God our Saaviour who will have all men to bve saved and come unto the knowledgd of the truth.

3. John 3:17 For God sent His Son into the world to condem not the world , but that the world through Him might be saved.

4. Isaiah 26:9 For when Thy judgement are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

5. John 4:42 for we have heard Him ourselves and know that this is indeed the Christ the Saviour of the world.

Now please understand that these are not my words or my opinions.If you believe that scripture is the inspiered word of God and here are 5 scriptures. I believe in just what theses scriptures say. I believe in each word that makes up these scriptures. All these scriptures have one theme, what is that theme?? What does these 5 scriptures have in common?? What are they saying??

I will tell you what they say to me. They say that God has the power and will save everybody. Everybody being the World. Now if these scriptures say otherwise that God will NOT save everybody then please show me where God says He will NOT save the world (scriptures please) If anyone can show me scriptures where God will not save everybody. Where Christ is NOT the Saviour of the world. Then I will fold up my tent and move on. I will miss yall, but I dont think anyone can do it.

I still would love to know what these 5 scriptures say to yall

The NT distinguishes between "Man" and "grass." do you?

1 Pe 1

24For,
"All men are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
25but the word of the Lord stands forever."[c] And this is the word that was preached to you.

 

[seattlegal]

The NT distinguishes between "Man" and "grass." do you?

1 Peter 1 is quoting Isaiah 40:

6 A voice says, "Cry out."
And I said, "What shall I cry?"
"All men are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field.

7 The grass withers and the flowers fall,
because the breath of the LORD blows on them.
Surely the people are grass. 8 The grass withers and the flowers fall,
but the word of our God stands forever."
​

 

[Dondi]

Greetings everyone: This is to all christians out there. I am going to give yall 5 scriptures and I would love for yall to tell me what they say to you.

Well now, first of all, it would really be good of you to take these verses in context rather than pick them out of the passage or book piecemeal. Let's go over these in context shall we?

1. 1 John 4:14 and we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the World.

It's wise to remember that this letter of John is written to Christians with whom the Apostle has fatherly affection for. The thematic tones throughout the letter are bipolar: either you are this or you are that. Some examples are if you walk in darkness, you are not in the light, but if you walk in the light, you have fellowship. If we keep not the commandments, we are a liar and the truth is not in us, but if we keep His commandments, the love of God is perfected. If you hate your brother, you are in darkness, but he that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and so forth all through the epistle. This is telling us that there are two groups of people. Likewise, when we come to chapter 5:12-13, we basically see the same thing, but in much stronger language:

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Again, two groups of people. Those who have the Son have eternal life, those who do not have the Son do not have eternal life. Clearly this is teaching that not all will be saved.

What of I John 4:14? Certainly Jesus is the Savior of the World in the sense that salvation is available to all, but it is upon the condition that we believe in Him and love Him by obeying His commandments, as the following verse suggests:

Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. - I John 4:15


2. 2tim 2:4 God our Saaviour who will have all men to bve saved and come unto the knowledgd of the truth.

I think you meant 1 Tim 2:4, but regardless, both letters from Paul to Timothy contain repeated warnings, like in chapter 4:1-2:

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

And chapter 5:12:

Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

God would like to see all men come to repentence, but again that repentence is up to us. We have that choice. In Matthew 23:37, Jesus laments to Jerusalem that he would like to have gathered them up as a mother hen with her chicks, but they would not.

3. John 3:17 For God sent His Son into the world to condem not the world , but that the world through Him might be saved.

Yet again if you continue reading in verse 18:

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

It is a choice to believe or not to believe.

4. Isaiah 26:9 For when Thy judgement are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

Learning about righteousness does not necesarily imply adherance, as Israel demonstrated time and time again in rebellion to the Lord. Verse 10 says that the wicked will not learn righteousness:

Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD.

5. John 4:42 for we have heard Him ourselves and know that this is indeed the Christ the Saviour of the world.

This is the woman that Jesus met at Jacob's well in Samaria. And the same application can relate this verse with the comments I made for I John 4:14 about Jesus being the Savior of the World.

But beyond this, the original discussion with the woman deal with Jesus being the bearer of living water, that whoseoever drinks of this water will never thirst. Again a choice on our part to drink or not to drink. Cross reference this with Revelation 21:6-8 where the invitation is repeated, but followed with a warning in verse 8 that sinners will have their part in the lake of fire.

Now please understand that these are not my words or my opinions.If you believe that scripture is the inspiered word of God and here are 5 scriptures. I believe in just what theses scriptures say. I believe in each word that makes up these scriptures. All these scriptures have one theme, what is that theme?? What does these 5 scriptures have in common?? What are they saying??

I will tell you what they say to me. They say that God has the power and will save everybody. Everybody being the World. Now if these scriptures say otherwise that God will NOT save everybody then please show me where God says He will NOT save the world (scriptures please) If anyone can show me scriptures where God will not save everybody. Where Christ is NOT the Saviour of the world. Then I will fold up my tent and move on. I will miss yall, but I dont think anyone can do it.

I still would love to know what these 5 scriptures say to yall

I hope this satisfies you inquiry. Be happy to answer any more questions.

 

[winner08]

Jesus plays a very very big part in the outworking of Gods purpose for the earth that is for sure .




but not everyone will be playing along in unity with them.



"Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, . . . but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance."—2 PETER 3:9.



a change of mind is called for if destruction is not the thing wanted .


Hence, beloved ones, since YOU are awaiting these things, do YOUR utmost to be found finally by him spotless and unblemished and in peace. 2 peter 3;14


Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of man: 27 they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were being given in marriage, until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the flood arrived and destroyed them all.

28 Likewise, just as it occurred in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building. 29 But on the day that Lot came out of Sod´om it rained fire and sulphur from heaven and destroyed them all.
30 The same way it will be on that day when the Son of man is to be revealed.
luke 17;26-30






What is to be destroyed?
It is the worldwide system of things that men have built up on earth—along with all those who uphold it rather than look to God and his promised rule for the earth. (Psalm 73:27, 28)

That is why the phrase "the end of the world," found in some Bible translations, is more accurately rendered in other Bibles as "the end of the age" (NE), "the conclusion of the age" (Ro), "the conclusion of the system of things" (NW).—Matthew 24:3.



The hard fact is that many people prefer to stay with this present system despite its failures and evils. They do not want to turn to righteousness and submit to rule from God
Rightly, God’s patience and mercy have their limits.


It is not a case of God’s taking pleasure in bringing destruction upon mankind.
no he doesnt want that at all


"‘Do I take any delight at all in the death of someone wicked,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘and not in that he should turn back from his ways and actually keep living? . . . So cause a turning back and keep living, O you people.’"—Ezekiel 18:23, 32.





. turning around , repenting ,and changing ones mind is called for.

Mee: you haven't said anything.

 

[mee]

Mee: you haven't said anything.

thats because the bible says it all.

 

[Quahom1]

Greetings everyone: This is to all christians out there. I am going to give yall 5 scriptures and I would love for yall to tell me what they say to you.

1. 1John 4:14 and we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the World.

2. 2tim 2:4 God our Saaviour who will have all men to bve saved and come unto the knowledgd of the truth.

3. John 3:17 For God sent His Son into the world to condem not the world , but that the world through Him might be saved.

4. Isaiah 26:9 For when Thy judgement are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

5. John 4:42 for we have heard Him ourselves and know that this is indeed the Christ the Saviour of the world.

Now please understand that these are not my words or my opinions.If you believe that scripture is the inspiered word of God and here are 5 scriptures. I believe in just what theses scriptures say. I believe in each word that makes up these scriptures. All these scriptures have one theme, what is that theme?? What does these 5 scriptures have in common?? What are they saying??

I will tell you what they say to me. They say that God has the power and will save everybody. Everybody being the World. Now if these scriptures say otherwise that God will NOT save everybody then please show me where God says He will NOT save the world (scriptures please) If anyone can show me scriptures where God will not save everybody. Where Christ is NOT the Saviour of the world. Then I will fold up my tent and move on. I will miss yall, but I dont think anyone can do it.

I still would love to know what these 5 scriptures say to yall

He is here to save the world. But three states "the world might be saved". There is a condition implied there. I don't know what that condition is, unless I read the rest of the chapter.

 

[winner08]

He is here to save the world. But three states "the world might be saved". There is a condition implied there. I don't know what that condition is, unless I read the rest of the chapter.

Thank Quahom1: I see now (might). I wonder in what context that word really means? they Might or might not be saved? If you find out please let me know.

 

[Quahom1]

Thank Quahom1: I see now (might). I wonder in what context that word really means? they Might or might not be saved? If you find out please let me know.

I'm researching now...

 

[winner08]

Do Yall think that man can go against Gods intention? Lets say that God wants to save all men, That
God said I will do all my pleasures, And God's Will, Will be done. If God wills that everybody will be saved. Why not everybody be save.
Lets say there is a hell and lets say man has a free will to go against Gods will. Why would anyone freely choose to burn in hell. I mean really If man has a free will why does he freely sin and therefore his sentence is death. Death, not life in hell (that's another thread.

 

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by winner08
Thank Quahom1: I see now (might). I wonder in what context that word really means? they Might or might not be saved? If you find out please let me know.

It is apparent that according to the whole of Jonh 3, the people (and Nicodimus) are being led up to the fact that in order to be saved, one must be reborn (born again), and accept the "gift" Jesus (the Son of God) is offering. Jesus is trying to give them earthly analogies as baby steps in order to comprehend the heavenly aspect (eternal aspect) of what is at stake for them to be redeemed. Yet they still don't get it (to Jesus' chagrin).

The irony is that while the simpler folk seem to understand, the more learned are more argumentative and debating, almost sparring with Jesus on an intellectual level, when Jesus is reaching to folks on an emotional level, and basic need level for the spirit of man.

 

[seattlegal]

Do Yall think that man can go against Gods intention? Lets say that God wants to save all men, That
God said I will do all my pleasures, And God's Will, Will be done. If God wills that everybody will be saved. Why not everybody be save.
Lets say there is a hell and lets say man has a free will to go against Gods will. Why would anyone freely choose to burn in hell. I mean really If man has a free will why does he freely sin and therefore his sentence is death. Death, not life in hell (that's another thread.

Compare these scriptures:

How do you reconcile those 5 scriptures to these?
BibleGateway.com - KeywordSearch: perdition

 

[Nick_A]

He is here to save the world. But three states "the world might be saved". There is a condition implied there. I don't know what that condition is, unless I read the rest of the chapter.

IMO this is hard to understand because we are under the impression that the Earth is here to serve us. I believe it is the opposite and that fallen man on earth is here to serve the earth.

This is a shock to our dignity but it would help us to appreciate what is meant by "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." Could the planet earth benefit by this as well as humanity? I believe so which opens up a whole new can of worms since it suggests that there is something to the theory of Gaia which looks at the earth as a living organism. Rather then take the blame for this myself I'll post a link to a book that explains a lot of this.

Amazon.com: Gaia's Body: Toward a Physiology of Earth (Copernicus): Tyler Volk: Books

Is Earth alive? Put more rigorously, is the biosphere a self- sustaining meta-organism? This is the essence of Gaia theory: if the biosphere really is a single coherent system, then it must have something like a physiology. It must have systems and processes that perform living functions. OK, then, what systems, what processes, what functions? Gaia's Body is Tyler Volk's answer to this question. In this book, he describes the environment that enables the biosphere to exist; various ways of looking at its "anatomy" and "physiology," the major biogeographical regions such as rainforests, deserts, and tundra; the major substances the biosphere is made of; and the chemical cycles that keep it in balance. He then looks at the question of whether there are any long-term trends in earth's evolution--is Gaia growing colder? more complex?--and examines the role of humanity in Gaia's past and future. Adherents and skeptics both have often been concerned that Gaia theory contains too much goddess and too few testable hypotheses. This is the book that describes, for scientists, students, and lay readers alike, the theory's firm basis in science.

Fallen man doesn't understand what it means to "work the garden" since we don't appreciate man on earth serving its prime purpose of serving the earth just as all other animal and vegetable life does. This is too insulting.

Conscious evolution is the next step in the evolution of man on earth. We have evolved as far as possible for man "born of woman" and now have the possibility of a higher purpose than just service to the earth through the transformation of the substances of our bodily processes just as a dog or horse does.

Man has the potential for nourishing the earth through the addition of a very high quality of substance necessary for the creative energies for both the earth's and our evolution. The fallen human condition living in imagination either doesn't have or has very little of this quality of substance necessary for our own evolution and for the purposes of the earth. To the contrary our psychological imbalance often destroys places on the earth such as rainforests and coral reefs that transform just this substantive quality.

Christianity has the potential to awaken man to the human condition and what is lost by it for himself and the earth so it can save Man open to it for human conscious evolution and the earth through the quality of substance conscious man gives to the earth from his own atmosphere sometimes known as "aura"

I just don't think it is possible anymore. The enchantment of technology will just deepen man's sleep making things more shallow and further destroying these special places on earth thereby denying him and the earth of the quality of substances necesary for evolution in general.

We had a good shot at it but I have to think some form of devestation will wipe the slate clean. Eventually Man will get another shot at it but if we learn by experience is debatable. We sure haven't learned yet.

 

[winner08]

How do you reconcile those 5 scriptures to these?
BibleGateway.com - KeywordSearch: perdition

all perdition means is ruin or loss and it means the same in each of the verses you gave. Jesus said no one will be loss. The question is lost or ruin for how long, most of yall believe in hell where one will be lost even torture forever. I don't believe so. I don't believe God will punish man forever. I believe that most will be lost or condemed for an age and an age as the Greek manuscuipts say. The correct translation forever and ever is actually aieon and an aieon. an age and an age. This is the correct translation. not forever and ever. So all the son of perdition is man of sin, the lost. But they will not be lost forever. Jesus is the Saviour of all men. Of course I don't exepct one of you to believe in the orignial greek manuscripts. Or The true Word of God. I do expect yall to believe in the word of man and his teachings through the pulpit.

 

[Netti-Netti]

The correct translation forever and ever is actually aieon and an aieon. an age and an age. This is the correct translation. not forever and ever.

Maybe Paul was emulating a theatrical Greek orator style - just trying to tell you it'll be a long time.

I notice estimates for the Buddhist hell length of stay is much more precise. One of the hot Narakas is Raurava (from the Wiki):

Here beings run here and there looking for refuge from the burning ground. When they find an apparent shelter, they are locked inside it as it blazes around them, while they scream inside. Life in this Naraka is 82,944*1010 years long.





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[winner08]

Maybe Paul was emulating a theatrical Greek orator style - just trying to tell you it'll be a long time.

I notice estimates for the Buddhist hell length of stay is much more precise. One of the hot Narakas is Raurava (from the Wiki):

Here beings run here and there looking for refuge from the burning ground. When they find an apparent shelter, they are locked inside it as it blazes around them, while they scream inside. Life in this Naraka is 82,944*1010 years long.





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The whole New Testement was originaly written in the greek language. Not just Paul. and why again, I ask if hell is a true place where God will burn, and torture people for all enterity, why did not the prophets of the O.T. teach about it. Why did not the prophets warn isreal, who are consider to be the chosen people of God, if they die in sin or if they are a non believer they would burn in hell? I don't know about yall but I think it is pretty important for those prophets to teach if such a place exsited. Why didn't they teach about hell? Oh wait, hell wasn't even a word in the O.T. it was hades or sheol. We have to wait hunderds of yrs later when the bible was translated into latin when the word hell showd up and the belief that it is a place where one will burn forever. Why is this. Why is it not in the orginial greek manuscripts?? Why is it not in the orginial hebrew manuscripts? I bet it even was not in the aramaic language. These are facts anyone of you could look up, if anyone was interested in the truth about hell.

 

[Netti-Netti]

The whole New Testement was originaly written in the greek language. Not just Paul.

I think Paul introduced the idea of perdition. It seems he was really more of a Buddhist than a Stoic. He basically set up a dichotomous choice: salvation versus an undue craving for things like Greek Taquitos (gluttonous attachment to sensory enjoyments). {I'm sure someone here knows the Greek term for Taquito.}

Pictured here are [FONT=arial,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Black bean, yuca, & kale [/SIZE][/FONT]Taquitos in progress:

 

[mee]

I ask if hell is a true place where God will burn, and torture people for all enterity,quote]


the bible does not teach that , i am glad to say the God of the bible is not into that sort of thing.




but through the centuries men have many false teachings that are not inline with accurate knowledge of the bible .


and people even get to believe those false teachings passed down