The Metaphoric Hell

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The Metaphoric Hell


Language is an elusive thing, particularly when one attempts to describe something no one has experienced before. Or if you are the only one who has experienced it, and attempt to describe it, your audience will not get it, for they would have not experienced it themselves. And it is particularly difficult when the language of ancient times is limited to the paradigm of that day. Thus the reality of nature and the universe in ages past, could only be described in those terms.

Such is it when we turn to the Bible. For the most part, descriptions of the spiritual realm have been couched in terms that convey a physical equivalent to the real world experiences of that day, in terms they can relate to. Not only so, but we suffer a communication barrier because our lack of experience in the spiritual realm limits our understanding. We haven’t been there. So we are left with metaphoric descriptions based on what is known here in the physical realm, which unfortunately is subject to misinterpretation.

Let me preface by saying that it is my estimation that the concept of hell is directly related to the nature of God. And by the same token, heaven is the same (this I will address in a separate thread). What I mean is: the way one experiences God will determine what kind of heaven or hell one experiences. I, for one, believe that there are differing levels of heaven and hell. Where one ends up, and to what degree, depends on one’s relationship with God. The fundamental difference is whether or not we have the sustaining life force of God’s Spirit present in us. That must always be the starting point, ground zero if you will. If we have the Spirit and we are demonstrating in our lives a desire to progress toward God, we will progress upwards (metaphorically) toward the Divine, becoming more and more in His image and toward a heavenly state. If we do not have God’s Spirit, we will digress away from the Divine and become less and less of the human potential that God would have for us and toward a hellish state.

Most of us are familiar with the metaphors in the passages that speak of hell. I have compiled a list of these terms found in scripture, but I also give an explanation of what I believe these terms indicate:

Outer darkness - (Matthew 22:13) God is light. Therefore anyone wishing to spend eternity apart from God will not experience this light. And so the opposite of light is darkness.

Bottomless pit - (Revelation 9:2) Our universe seems spanless. It’s vastness is hard to comprehend. So if our universe is so inexplicably huge that we cannot find the end of it, God, who created it and is beyond it, likewise must be as unimaginably vast. Infinite, in fact. What that tells me is that whatever this bottomless pit is, it is likewise vast. The term suggests one of great distance. But from what two points? It is obvious from the reading that it is not a place one would desire to go. So consequently it must be in the opposite direction from God. And it also conveys a sense that as one progresses into the bottomless pit, the farther one is from God.

Now some teach a physical hell as being in the center of the earth. I believe it’s much deeper than that. But deeper in the sense that one is in one’s relationship God. As we digress from God, by our own choice, we will fall further and further away as eternity sledges on. We can go as far away from God as we can imagine.

On the other hand, God in His Mercy is eager to forgive us and would cast our sins into the sea of forgetfulness. So perhaps instead of our being cast into the bottomless pit, God would cast our sins there and keep us around.

Fire not quenched - (Mark 9:44) Along with God being light, that light possesses a great deal of power. Now regardless of who a person is, the light flows through and illuminates every man (John 1:9). Those that accept and desire God will know the love of God. Those who reject God will know the adverse effects in diametric opposition. In other words, they will experience the light as a righteous fire that will continually be felt. It is a natural phenomenon. Now one will wonder how one could experience that light if they are in outer darkness. Well, let’s look at scientifically. According to Big Bang proponents, at the moment of the big bang there was an incredible flash of light as the energy expanded exponentially as the universe expanded. However, at one point some 400,000 years of cooling after the event there was a period known as the Dark Ages, when the universe was a fog of neutral hydrogen and helium in which photons did not decouple or release, which produced a fading of light. Yet the universe was still an incredible 3000 degrees Kelvin (4940 degrees Farenheit). Even today we observe a microwave oven heat food without observing light.

Worm never dies - Similiar to the fire that never quenches, there is a reference to both these terms in Isaiah 66:24, "And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

I understand that Gehenna is a physical place outside Jerusalem where they burned the bodies of the death and the maggots eat the flesh of the dead. But symbolically, the worm is something that eats away at you. Seed of bitterness can eat away at your soul. Daniel 12:2 speaks of the resurrection where some will suffer shame in everlasting contempt.

A place of Sorrows - (2 Samuel 22:6) Where the love of God absent, due to hindering of the Presence of th e Spirit, one will experience adverse and unpleasant emotions. Some may include regret, guilt, remorse for one’s sins, a feeling of worthlessness which leads to sorrow.

Weeping and gnashing of teeth - (Matthew 25:30). The natural progression from sorrow is a resentment of one’s present state. Perhaps eventually leading to resentment toward God, which is quite a dangerous position to be in since one would well know that it isn’t God’s fault you chose this path.

Fire and brimstone - (Revelation 21:8) We talked about fire already. Brimstone is a biblical term for sulfur, which gives off a very unpleasant smell when heated, like rotten eggs. For those who are seeking after God, we are to be a sweet-smelling sacrifice for God. The smoke of the incense are prayers of the saints rising up to God in Rev. 8:3-4. But for those who are rejecting God, the odor is repugnant, suggesting that instead of prayers, there is cursing.

A place of no rest - (Revelation 14:11) Those that are in a hellish state find no rest in that state because the adversement toward God is always present. God is everywhere. As David states in Psalm 139:7-8, “Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.” And incidentally, notice that David is making his own bed in hell. As long as there is resistence to God, there will be a fiery indignation that will be felt.

The lake of fire - (Revelation 20:14) When I think of the lake of fire, it reminds me of the Miller process of purifying gold, involving a stream if chlorine gas blowing over a crucible of molten, but impure gold. The gold gets purified because all other elements form chlorides before gold, thus they can be removed as salts.
I Peter 1:7-9 says, “That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.”
Now before anyone accuses me of universalism, I must remind you that everything I have related corresponds with one’s condition and orientation towards God. Even in the verse above speaks of one’s faith being tried by fire. And that is predicated by believing. I cannot stress that more importantly. One is in the state he is because of where one has placed himself. The lake of fire is perpetual. And it may be that there is a point at which there is no return. Which leads me to the next metaphor:

Place of everlasting destruction - (II Thessalonians 1:9) The longer one resists God and goes after the lusts of their own desire, the worse and worse that person will get. The digression may well progress to the point where a person is unrecognizable.

Think about this. What causes a pedophile to get to where he is? Once upon a time, he was a cute baby in his mother’s arms, adored by people around him. But somewhere along the way, and it may be a long transition, he ends up is the vile state he is in. Now granted, he might once have been a victim of some abuse, which happens many times in the case of child molesters. But regardless of how he got there, he is a mess. And unless some sort of intervention takes place, in all likelihood, he will continue on the path he’s on and may even get worse and worse. The addiction has a stronghold on him.

I’m open to the possibility that there could be escape from this state even after death. But I also think that puts oneself in a precarious situation. In his book “My Descent into Death”, Howard Storm describes being such in a hellish state in his NDE, where he had a hard time believing what was happening because he was an atheist. But the thing that saved him from that is the partial remembrance of the hymn ‘Jesus Loves Me’ that he learned way back as a child. And that gave him just enough latitude to call out to God for help, though he probably never prayed before in his life. He also said that had he not had the presence to call out to God, he said he may have been irrevocably lost in his hellish state.

Now I don’t know what kind of chance one would have to come to God after one passes on. But if we are to believe in a just and merciful God, I would thing that He would do everything in His power to keep us from making the wrong decision. This gives me the hope that while everyone must give account to God, God will be fair and considerate to those who were ignorant of Him. For example, an atheist who is honest in his beliefs, having tried but failing to logically believe in God might just be giving the chance to see the whole picture before being judged too harshly. Having been afforded to knowing the “truth”, he would have the choice to be set free.
In conclusion, this presentation will hopefully provide a reason alternative view to the literal stance that so many people take offense to in regards to the place called Hell. What I’ve tried to convey is that hell is relative. Relative to the condition of our hearts toward God and in the state and direction we choose.
 
The Metaphoric Hell



Language is an elusive thing, particularly when one attempts to describe something no one has experienced before. Or if you are the only one who has experienced it, and attempt to describe it, your audience will not get it, for they would have not experienced it themselves. And it is particularly difficult when the language of ancient times is limited to the paradigm of that day. Thus the reality of nature and the universe in ages past, could only be described in those terms.

Such is it when we turn to the Bible. For the most part, descriptions of the spiritual realm have been couched in terms that convey a physical equivalent to the real world experiences of that day, in terms they can relate to. Not only so, but we suffer a communication barrier because our lack of experience in the spiritual realm limits our understanding. We haven’t been there. So we are left with metaphoric descriptions based on what is known here in the physical realm, which unfortunately is subject to misinterpretation.

Let me preface by saying that it is my estimation that the concept of hell is directly related to the nature of God. And by the same token, heaven is the same (this I will address in a separate thread). What I mean is: the way one experiences God will determine what kind of heaven or hell one experiences. I, for one, believe that there are differing levels of heaven and hell. Where one ends up, and to what degree, depends on one’s relationship with God. The fundamental difference is whether or not we have the sustaining life force of God’s Spirit present in us. That must always be the starting point, ground zero if you will. If we have the Spirit and we are demonstrating in our lives a desire to progress toward God, we will progress upwards (metaphorically) toward the Divine, becoming more and more in His image and toward a heavenly state. If we do not have God’s Spirit, we will digress away from the Divine and become less and less of the human potential that God would have for us and toward a hellish state.

Most of us are familiar with the metaphors in the passages that speak of hell. I have compiled a list of these terms found in scripture, but I also give an explanation of what I believe these terms indicate:

Outer darkness - (Matthew 22:13) God is light. Therefore anyone wishing to spend eternity apart from God will not experience this light. And so the opposite of light is darkness.

Bottomless pit - (Revelation 9:2) Our universe seems spanless. It’s vastness is hard to comprehend. So if our universe is so inexplicably huge that we cannot find the end of it, God, who created it and is beyond it, likewise must be as unimaginably vast. Infinite, in fact. What that tells me is that whatever this bottomless pit is, it is likewise vast. The term suggests one of great distance. But from what two points? It is obvious from the reading that it is not a place one would desire to go. So consequently it must be in the opposite direction from God. And it also conveys a sense that as one progresses into the bottomless pit, the farther one is from God.

Now some teach a physical hell as being in the center of the earth. I believe it’s much deeper than that. But deeper in the sense that one is in one’s relationship God. As we digress from God, by our own choice, we will fall further and further away as eternity sledges on. We can go as far away from God as we can imagine.

On the other hand, God in His Mercy is eager to forgive us and would cast our sins into the sea of forgetfulness. So perhaps instead of our being cast into the bottomless pit, God would cast our sins there and keep us around.

Fire not quenched - (Mark 9:44) Along with God being light, that light possesses a great deal of power. Now regardless of who a person is, the light flows through and illuminates every man (John 1:9). Those that accept and desire God will know the love of God. Those who reject God will know the adverse effects in diametric opposition. In other words, they will experience the light as a righteous fire that will continually be felt. It is a natural phenomenon. Now one will wonder how one could experience that light if they are in outer darkness. Well, let’s look at scientifically. According to Big Bang proponents, at the moment of the big bang there was an incredible flash of light as the energy expanded exponentially as the universe expanded. However, at one point some 400,000 years of cooling after the event there was a period known as the Dark Ages, when the universe was a fog of neutral hydrogen and helium in which photons did not decouple or release, which produced a fading of light. Yet the universe was still an incredible 3000 degrees Kelvin (4940 degrees Farenheit). Even today we observe a microwave oven heat food without observing light.

Worm never dies - Similiar to the fire that never quenches, there is a reference to both these terms in Isaiah 66:24, "And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

I understand that Gehenna is a physical place outside Jerusalem where they burned the bodies of the death and the maggots eat the flesh of the dead. But symbolically, the worm is something that eats away at you. Seed of bitterness can eat away at your soul. Daniel 12:2 speaks of the resurrection where some will suffer shame in everlasting contempt.

A place of Sorrows - (2 Samuel 22:6) Where the love of God absent, due to hindering of the Presence of th e Spirit, one will experience adverse and unpleasant emotions. Some may include regret, guilt, remorse for one’s sins, a feeling of worthlessness which leads to sorrow.

Weeping and gnashing of teeth - (Matthew 25:30). The natural progression from sorrow is a resentment of one’s present state. Perhaps eventually leading to resentment toward God, which is quite a dangerous position to be in since one would well know that it isn’t God’s fault you chose this path.

Fire and brimstone - (Revelation 21:8) We talked about fire already. Brimstone is a biblical term for sulfur, which gives off a very unpleasant smell when heated, like rotten eggs. For those who are seeking after God, we are to be a sweet-smelling sacrifice for God. The smoke of the incense are prayers of the saints rising up to God in Rev. 8:3-4. But for those who are rejecting God, the odor is repugnant, suggesting that instead of prayers, there is cursing.

A place of no rest - (Revelation 14:11) Those that are in a hellish state find no rest in that state because the adversement toward God is always present. God is everywhere. As David states in Psalm 139:7-8, “Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.” And incidentally, notice that David is making his own bed in hell. As long as there is resistence to God, there will be a fiery indignation that will be felt.

The lake of fire - (Revelation 20:14) When I think of the lake of fire, it reminds me of the Miller process of purifying gold, involving a stream if chlorine gas blowing over a crucible of molten, but impure gold. The gold gets purified because all other elements form chlorides before gold, thus they can be removed as salts.
I Peter 1:7-9 says, “That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.”
Now before anyone accuses me of universalism, I must remind you that everything I have related corresponds with one’s condition and orientation towards God. Even in the verse above speaks of one’s faith being tried by fire. And that is predicated by believing. I cannot stress that more importantly. One is in the state he is because of where one has placed himself. The lake of fire is perpetual. And it may be that there is a point at which there is no return. Which leads me to the next metaphor:

Place of everlasting destruction - (II Thessalonians 1:9) The longer one resists God and goes after the lusts of their own desire, the worse and worse that person will get. The digression may well progress to the point where a person is unrecognizable.

Think about this. What causes a pedophile to get to where he is? Once upon a time, he was a cute baby in his mother’s arms, adored by people around him. But somewhere along the way, and it may be a long transition, he ends up is the vile state he is in. Now granted, he might once have been a victim of some abuse, which happens many times in the case of child molesters. But regardless of how he got there, he is a mess. And unless some sort of intervention takes place, in all likelihood, he will continue on the path he’s on and may even get worse and worse. The addiction has a stronghold on him.

I’m open to the possibility that there could be escape from this state even after death. But I also think that puts oneself in a precarious situation. In his book “My Descent into Death”, Howard Storm describes being such in a hellish state in his NDE, where he had a hard time believing what was happening because he was an atheist. But the thing that saved him from that is the partial remembrance of the hymn ‘Jesus Loves Me’ that he learned way back as a child. And that gave him just enough latitude to call out to God for help, though he probably never prayed before in his life. He also said that had he not had the presence to call out to God, he said he may have been irrevocably lost in his hellish state.

Now I don’t know what kind of chance one would have to come to God after one passes on. But if we are to believe in a just and merciful God, I would thing that He would do everything in His power to keep us from making the wrong decision. This gives me the hope that while everyone must give account to God, God will be fair and considerate to those who were ignorant of Him. For example, an atheist who is honest in his beliefs, having tried but failing to logically believe in God might just be giving the chance to see the whole picture before being judged too harshly. Having been afforded to knowing the “truth”, he would have the choice to be set free.
In conclusion, this presentation will hopefully provide a reason alternative view to the literal stance that so many people take offense to in regards to the place called Hell. What I’ve tried to convey is that hell is relative. Relative to the condition of our hearts toward God and in the state and direction we choose.

All that writing, Hell is not a physical place where God will torture people. the word hell was not even introduce into the bible untill the bible was translated into latin. The word hell was never used by any of the prophets in the old testement or by Jesus in the new testement. They used the word hades or sheol. These two words have nothing to do with burning or being tortured forever and ever by God. There are many references of the lake of fire. It has nothing to do with a hell, a place that has different levels. Where is that scripture? As you stated in your opening line Language is an elusive thing.
 
All that writing, Hell is not a physical place where God will torture people. the word hell was not even introduce into the bible untill the bible was translated into latin. The word hell was never used by any of the prophets in the old testement or by Jesus in the new testement. They used the word hades or sheol. These two words have nothing to do with burning or being tortured forever and ever by God. There are many references of the lake of fire. It has nothing to do with a hell, a place that has different levels. Where is that scripture? As you stated in your opening line Language is an elusive thing.

Agreed. But the language Jesus uses in passages like Mark 9:43-48, for instance, convey a sense of loss. He's not teaching us to actually cut off our hands or pluck out our eyes, but rather it is a warning to keep our thoughts (eyes) and actions (hands) pure, lest we find ourselves in darkness.

My whole point is that hell (or whatever the hell you want to call it) is relative to your relationship to God. You will experience God either in a pleasant or unpleasant fashion, depending on your disposition.

A parable in Luke 12:42-48:

"And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."

Again, the stripes are indicative to one's position to God. It's not saying that God is actually going to beat us down, but rather there will be a sense of loss in the things we have failed. And that 'punishment' takes on different levels.
 
Outer darkness - (Matthew 22:13) God is light.

Bottomless pit - (Revelation 9:2) Our universe seems spanless. .


Fire not quenched - (Mark 9:44) Along with God being light, that light possesses a great deal of power. .

Worm never dies - Similiar to the fire that never quenches, there is a reference to both these terms in Isaiah 66:24, "And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

A place of Sorrows - (2 Samuel 22:6) Where the love of God absent, .

Weeping and gnashing of teeth - (Matthew 25:30). The natural progression from sorrow is a resentment of one’s present state.

A place of no rest - (Revelation 14:11) Those that are in a hellish state find no rest in that state because the adversement toward God is always present. [/COLOR]

The lake of fire - (Revelation 20:14) When I think of the lake of fire, it reminds me of the Miller process of purifying gold, .


Place of everlasting destruction - (II Thessalonians 1:9) The longer one resists God and goes after the lusts of their own desire, the worse and worse that person will get. .

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Interesting ideas on an interesting and confusing topic, Dondi. Like you, I believe in a merciful and loving God, and feel that these traits stand at odds with the gruesome traditions surrounding the afterlife. In my study (not extensive, but considerable) of this topic, though, I've noticed something that I thought I would bring to your attention: the passages that you have cited do not all refer to the same place. Instead, they refer to several things:

1. The Lake of Fire, which is the final punishment for the beast and for Satan and for everyone who has, like them, seen God and yet rejected him. This is a place where the fire is not quenched, and a place where the worm does not die, and a place where there is no rest or comfort. Those sent there will be subject to everlasting destruction.

Thus, four of your references refer to the lake of fire.


2. The Bottomless Pit, which is a place of demons which has as its ruler The Destroyer (Abaddon, Apollyon). It's described as a dark furnace full of "locusts" who inflict agony on the Earth in the last few days. There is, however, nothing to suggest that there are any human souls in there suffering for their sins. It is not Satan who gives up the souls of the dead at the time of the end; it is Hades-- Sheol.


Hades, which I would add to this list, is a completely different place. The best description of it is the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, in which Lazarus' soul was in a place where there was some measure of comfort, next to Abraham, while the rich man was tormented by heat and thirst (i.e. not comfortable). There were no demons prodding the rich man in the butt with pitchforks; demons have no place in Hades, because Hades collects human souls.


3. The Outer Darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. People who ended up here include the five virgins who were locked out of the wedding feast, and the guy without wedding clothes who was kicked out of the wedding feast. I believe that the outer darkness refers to the world outside of the Holy City of light in which Jesus will reign as king for a thousand years. Wouldn't you be weeping if you were left out? I sure would be. Remember that darkness fell across the Earth during the seven final punishments (golden bowls), and it is written that the people of the Earth will walk by the light of the city at that time.



These are just my thoughts; nothing absolute. Again, excellent topic.
 
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