Holocaust Denial ?

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  1. GlorytoGod

    GlorytoGod There is a River

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  2. Thomas

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    I don't think it's taboo ... I think it's nonsense to deny it?

    So a bishop who denies history for which there is no end of material evidence, and preaches a history for which there is none, is not the most credible candidate.

    Pope Benedict's outreach to the schismatic Catholics (over 150,000 of 'em) is just one of the many gestures made recently, which are never reported, because they don't fit the secular media's image of the Pope they want to promulgate (nazi/rotweiller/right-winger/hard liner, etc).

    Williams' politics, a comment made years ago on a Swedish TV programme, is another example of the media only interested in showing the Catholic Church at fault.

    As a Catholic, I think Williams should be stripped of his authority on the basis that he is not in communion with the Church, which acknowledges the Holocaust and condemns it ...

    As a Catholic what I really want to know how the hell the curia in Rome let this happen ... doesn't anyone check these things? And how come they left Pope Benedict standing alone (as they are probe to do) when the nasty stuff hits the fan ... call me a conspiracy theorist, but my view is that Pope Benedict's 'cut the crap' attitude does not go down well among the bureaucrats in the curia.

    Thomas
     
  3. 17th Angel

    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    Denial of the holocaust.... If that is meant to mean, what I think it means... Anyone that has this belife is a little bit... How can I put it delicatlely... *covers his eyes with his hands then every now and then removes them from his eyes and looks around in amazment and makes a 'Cuckoo Cuckoo' noise.*

    It seems all a bit too Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf....... You remember him guys.... Here image to jog the mind...

    [​IMG]

    Imagine that was a mirror... Do you really want to look that retarded??

    Go in peace my child.
     
  4. nativeastral

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    we should never forget those atrocious massacres in fact the whole massworldmedia should plaster the front pages with such images especially in trouble spots where authorities seem to justify killing innocents willy nilly, thinking of middle east,israel et al here, how ironically perverse humans can be,psychology tells a few truths ie the abused becomes the abuser and no religion seems to be guilt free here.
     
  5. Out of the Box

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    Nazi Germany was a very efficient society and Hitler was very popular among the German people. At the time, many people were getting interested in learning more about this new way of life and "democratic" politicians feared that Hitler might undermine the foundations of capitalism and representative democracy throughout the Western world.

    After WW2, nazi ideology was no longer something anyone besides a tiny minority of hardline antisemites contemplated because it was held responsible for the planned extermination of the Jewish people and the succesful extermination of 6 million Jews.

    The first few decades, little was written about the Holocaust. Hilberg's Destruction of the European Jews was pretty much the only work worth mentioning. All this changed since the '60s, when zionists realised its use for propaganda. From the Six Day War onwards, every decade the Holocaust became more prominent in media and education.

    As soon as the war was over, some people claimed that there was no genocide. Sure, Jews were sent to concentration camps, but Roosevelt did the same with Japanese-Americans without claims of genocide. Sure, there were piles of bodies found while liberating some of the camps, but bodies from all of the camps in the American section were inspected by the team of Dr. Charles Larson (one of America's leading forensic pathologists) and not a single victim of gassing was found (typhus was the main cause). There and many other arguments were used as arguments for the claim that Germany never had the intention to exterminate the Jewish people, although they did want them out of Germany and they did put them inconcentration camps.

    The people who make such claims call themselves Holocaust revisionists, however the media labels them as Holocaust deniers. According to the media their arguments are unscientific and biased by antisemitism, however to my knowledge not a single of these revisionist/denier publications has ever been debunked in a peer reviewed publication.

    As a consequence of the political sensitivity of the subject, revisionists/deniers usually become outcasts within academia and become both socially and professionally isolated.

    Revisionists/deniers also increased their publication since the '60s, and during the '80s they managed to reach mainstream audiences in spite of media boycotts. Several countries have since created laws to make Holocaust revisionism/denial illegal. In spite of these laws, however, revisionist/denier publications are now more accessible than ever as a consequence of the Internet and American free speech.


    Regardless of whether revisionists/deniers are just mad antisemites or brave truthseekers, the reason why Western "democracies" fear it is double :
    • On one hand, there's those who fear that national-socialism might pose a threat to representative democracy again when people no longer hold it responsible for genocide. The result could be something like the creationism vs. evolutionism debate, but with far greater political consequences!
    • On the other hand, there are zionists who fear that the gentiles will turn against them for abusing the Holocaust as means to get away with pretty much anything.
     
  6. Janz

    Janz What's Amatta U

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    I don't know how anyone in their right mind can deny the Holocaust. When I was ten years old I visited Dachau Concentration Camp Memorial site in Germany. Words cannot describe what I experienced when I walked through the barracks, the site of the grave honoring thousands of unknown innocents; the crematorium, etc.

    Never Again. Never Again.

    Dachau concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Plus let us not forgot there were 5 million Non-Jews who perished as well.

    Holocaust - Non-Jewish Victims of the Holocaust - Pictures - Stories
     
  7. Out of the Box

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    Do note that Holocaust revisionists/deniers do not deny the existence of concentration camps nor the fact that horrible things happened in those camps and many people died in them. They merely put all this in a different context, as I explained in my post hereabove. The media tries to pretend that these people deny the obvious (eg. that concentration camps existed or that Hitler was an antisemite), but that's a major distortion. They mostly deal with on technical details such as how many people died, how people died, why they died and who was responsible for people dying, rather than whether people died.
     
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    Yeah many non Jews were mindlessly murdered as well. Polish, Freemasons, Romany’s to name afew! Anyone non German could have been a potential victim.... It’s truly sick that we as humans allowed such a thing to happen. This happened under secrecy of an elite, probably the darkest part of human history which I hope will never happen again and it did happen. God bless.. http://www.ushmm.org/
     
  9. GlorytoGod

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    If you read the article I posted I dont think he was saying it never happened just questioning the facts.

    Perhaps the title of this thread is a bit misleading.
     
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    A bit?

    lol...... Every reply has been in reference to denying the holocaust, hence 'Holocaust Denial'.... A change of title may help if you don't want replies to this reference.
     
  11. citizenzen

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    This is such a common human reaction, just read Nick_A's posts in the Obama Birth Certificate thread.

    The notion that any gaps in evidence or questions of detail indicate that people are hiding something is the cornerstone of most conspiracy theories.

    Perhaps GtG could offer his/her opinion of what is being hidden and why, rather than merely cast doubt without evidence.

    And I'm not interested in follow your link, GtG. I want to know your opinion in your own words.
     
  12. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    No it appears your title is not misleading...if he said that.
     
  13. GlorytoGod

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    No one who touches an issue that's sacred to both liberals and zionists. The Holocaust is thé event in history most used and abused by modern propagandists and any questioning of any of its primary dogmas has become the equivalent of sacrilege, with the risk of persecution by the new inquisition.
     
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    double......
     
  16. Francis king

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    it's not a case of disputing historical evidence- it's a different matter entirely...

    we know how many concentration camps were liberated.. we know how many emaciated walking corpses stumbled through the barbed wire afterwards, we know people were gassed and had their hair removed to make fur lined boots for german troops, we know how many gold filled teeth were smashed out the heads of the dead, we know how many pairs of spectacles were piled up after their owners were liberated from their bodies by savage means... we know all this because the germans kept meticulous records...

    none of these things are to be disputed. These events occurred. Let's forget it wsn't just jews- it was communists, gays, cripples, and gypsies too.

    Now, unfortunately there are people who actively promote another version of events. A version of events where not so many people died, where not so many people were gassed.

    And they are all Nazi sympathisers.

    No point trying to dress it up. For people to suggest "it wasn't that bad" implies the jews are lying, it implies the jews have an agenda, it implies all the racial stereotyping of jews which was common in the nazi era was correct, which then, by extension, also suggests the nazi's had a point...

    ....as for the current pope... he's been accused of such things too, i.e., being a nazi... so he has to distance himself from such things publically, doesn't he?
     
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    Yeah and stop wearing dresses.... He'll never shake the nancy name calling til that day..... What a nancy boy.
     
  18. citizenzen

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    Hmmm... I asked you for your thoughts in a very reasonable tone.

    I don't see anybody calling for a hanging.

    I'd just like to know what's on your mind.



    Excuse me a second...

    Dang...

    These nooses are always hard to get right.
     
  19. Faithfulservant

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    lol seems Glory gets lynched for posting an article someone else wrote.
     
  20. citizenzen

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    Where is this notion of lynching coming from?

    We are asking GtG to talk about this issue from his/her perspective.

    Methinks this nervousness is self-generated... probably for good reason.
     

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