The Sacred Meaning of the Sexual Union

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In these times, when there is so much confusion about God centered marriage, I thought this may be of interest.

God created the sexual union in order for God to have a Godly seed. The conception of children should be the conception of God's own children. We share this role....this Godly role to bring forth his very own sons and daughters, his lineage. This was the original sacred meaning of the sexual union.

As Jesus said, "as you see me...you see the father, God wanted to also be able to say, "as you see the family, you see God, as you see the society, nation and world. . .you see God. This would be the results of Adam & Eve as original unfallen parents fulfilling their destiny to offer God his very own lineage.

Through that expanding seed, God's sovereignty would be made manifest throughout the world "like the waters that cover the seas" Indeed as we saw such world. . . we would see God.

But tragically, Adam and Eve broke faith with God and God lost connection with the ensuing lineage of humanity. The Bible records the deep pain and anguish that God felt. .even repenting that he made man on earth.
His heart, rather than filled with joy, was filled with sorrow and pain. His aspiration for the ideal of love, his purpose of creation was never realized.

To finally accomplish this hope is the very core purpose of human providential history.
 
What of childless couples like my wife and me?

Should marriages of people beyond the age of child-bearing be viewed differently if allowed at all?

And if not, then doesn't that make your original post moot?
 
citizenzen said:
What of childless couples like my wife and me?
Should marriages of people beyond the age of child-bearing be viewed differently if allowed at all?
And if not, then doesn't that make your original post moot?
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Are you planning to adopt chidlren ?
 
another question Soleil, if one no longer is capable of bearing children, should one no longer partake in "sexual union"? (not be cheeky, just asking your view)
 
greymare said:
another question Soleil, if one no longer is capable of bearing children, should one no longer partake in "sexual union"? (not be cheeky, just asking your view)
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Of course not. Being one flesh and of one spirit with our spouse is central to a marriage. Even God wants to be there. Purity before marriage and fidelity after marriage are also crucial.

Children are the fruit of our love and allow us to experience the 4 realms of the heart. Parental love, children's love, sibling love and conjugal love.

Our time on earth is to grow our love. It is a preparation for our second birthday when we pass on the spirit world.
 
citizenzen said:
So is the sacred union of pet companionship, but you seem to forget that as well.
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The title of the thread is the "sacred meaning of the sexual union". It was not about pet companionship.

Why dont' you start a different thread ?
 
Adam (man) and Eve (life) are in the garden Eden (pleasure) in the book Genesis (beginning or Heb. 'Beresheit'). A river flowed from the garden of Eden (pleasure) which split into four others called Pison (increase), Gihon (bursting forth), Hiddekel (rapid), and Euphrates (fruitfulness).

Later on in the book Genesis there is recorded a young man named Isaac, meditating by himself in a field.(Gen 24:63) We are not told what Isaac is meditating on, because it is assumed we already know! Make your own guess, however young Isaac is meditating upon the same story that we are in this thread -- Genesis! It is assumed we are being taught the exact same things in the exact same way as him. Isaac and those like him who think about the story and think about its lessons become part of it. They are part of the beginning (Beresheit or Genesis), part of this story, part of the creation and part of the garden itself.

Humanity has relationships (like marriage) built into it that affect us deeply and which from which we can learn many lessons, and Genesis harnesses these to teach enduring values. God is taught from these, not the other way around. A clue from Romans 1:20 (written relatively recently) reinforces the idea that the Garden of Eden is a way of taking nature and meditating on it to learn moral lessons. "Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse;" (Romans 1:20). Who else could this passage in Romans be referring to if not to those who are sitting with Isaac, meditating on the same things as him? The verse in Romans seems a little odd to an outsider, but it should make sense to those in a community who have an established tradition of seeing God through nature. These are part of the creation, from which flows the four rivers Pleasure, Increase, Bursting forth, & Fruitfulness.
 
If you go back maybe 200 years in the USA, the scriptures were read by some to mean sex was completely taboo unless you were intending another child. As you can imagine, this was a very unhealthy thing for families. In many important passages the meaning has often been stretched to match what is popular or traditional, instead of what was healthy. Another example is that some churches simply do not have anyone that has been divorced, because they kick anyone out who gets one. What this represents is a failure to understand that scripture upholds love, health, & family above all other things; and you can use that as a guide to help interpret it. You really can, but many of us in the US (though we are not Calvinists) have inherited the Calvinist approach to things. This approach misses the point on too many occasions to be followed closely. Better to make mistakes than to assume we are right all the time.
 
Sure. The expectation that we can clearly understand when interpreting Scripture will from time to time lead to the false belief that we are. We are told in scripture that we see through a glass darkly for this very reason, to let us know that we do indeed live by grace. From time to time we forget that we see as through a glass darkly, and when we are doing well we tend to think it means our doctrines must be correct! "God has given me the interpretation for you!" "God has given me the vision for you!" <--- This is completely wrong! It is not a fundamentally supportable position, and it is a proud one! We are all in constant need of revelation of the Holy Spirit, as we cannot see very well. Conversion is a miracle, not a form to fill out; and 'God is no respecter of persons'. This is explained many times and in many ways. Times of pride are the times when creeds get written, when we decide our judgment is good enough for codification or needed for clarification for others.

Some references:
I Corinthians 8:2-3 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

I Corinthians 13:9-13 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

I John 1:5-10
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

John 14:16-18 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Mathew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Mark 6:38,40,42 He saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? go and see. And when they knew, they say, Five, and two fishes.....And they sat down in ranks, by hundreds, and by fifties.... And they did all eat, and were filled.

John 3:27-28 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.

Romans 3:1-2 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Deuteronomy 1:17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.
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