The Role of Christ and The Church

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  1. Azure24

    Azure24 Well-Known Member

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    Hi all, first of all I'd like to apologize if I had offended anyone on recent post with my attitude. It's just frustration...

    I'd also like to state I'm not here to teach anyone anything, only God can do that...

    "…for when Thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Isa. 26:9).

    I' d also like to say I'm not condemning the church or anything, just saying what I feel and besides they, (like everything else) have their part to play in God's plan.

    ...And after all. All will be saved, because...



    " ... those who are loving Him" will include ALL HUMANITY and all in the heavens" (Phil. 2:11).

    Amazing isn't it? And Most Churches teach Hell and Eternal Damnation when it clearly, CLEARLY!! States that "ALL HUMANITY" will be loving him...

    For those who still believe we have a free will ... I have nothing more to say! Oh, but that's right NO ONE here believes in the Scriptures! For all they know God is an alien living in a another planet and the second coming is actually an alien invasion etc, etc...

    I have loads, LOADS of scriptual evidence (don't know if more obvious than the above though...) to support this. Here's another:

    "And you say in your heart MY power and the might of MY hand has gotten me this wealth. But you shall remember the Lord your God: for it is HE that gives you power to get wealth... And it shall be, if you do at all forget the Lord your God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that YOU SHALL SURELY PERISH" (Deut. 8:17-19).

    "But true love cannot be forced!" You say...

    I have said many times, this does not make us robots!! A human being can make a robot do what it wants, but fortunately us human beings are much more supreme than simple robots, and bare in mind God is much more supreme than humans...

    ...And we will choose, love, accept, favor...Whatever you want to call it by OUR OWN decision...If it is OUR OWN decision how does God know this?

    Has anyone else noticed that what makes us who we are is completely beyond our control?

    What year we're born, whom are parents are, where we live, what race we are ... etc, etc, etc...and the factors that makes us what we are, are based on other factors as well...Until you begin to realise that nothing happens independently on it's own.

    ...And if nothing acts independently of it's own, what (or rather who?) is pulling all the strings? For all those God fearing people out there need I answer...

    Just know that...

    "...the grace of our Lord OVERWHELMS, with faith and love in Christ Jesus." (I Tim. 1:14).

    Overwhelms, just what does that mean? Check it in the dictionary...

    1. To surge over and submerge; engulf.

    2. a. To defeat completely and decisively.

    b. To affect deeply in mind or emotion.

    But to...surge over and submerge, engulf what?

    to...defeat completely and decisively what?

    to...affect deeply in mind or emotion what?

    Why its man's illusionary free will of course....

    Truth is many clergymen fear that people will use grace for a license to sin if they teach it. The reality of it is, that people stop sinning because the grace of God overwhelms them. Grace is power!

    Can God's Grace not overwhelm Hitler, Osams Bin Laden, Nero...etc,etc...

    Does God claim responsibilty for there actions?

    Well I have no children, but those that do...Say if one of your children (which you raised) got in to drugs, got mized up with the wrong crowd and ended up in prison? Would you not take responsibility? Would it not be your fault for failing them in some way?

    I recieved a reply post from someone saying you can be a christian and not believe in the scriptures. I found this profound...Where else do we learn about the life of Christ and the concept of God? As I read new threads posted here everyday "Will God judge us when we die?", "What it means to be saved" etc, etc, so many of these are answered...I have so much to say... But no space to say it...

    The Church...

    This may seem controversial, but then isn't the truth?



    Most churches are adding to God's Word - turning ages into eternities! Taking away from God's Word-reducing the salvation of all to just a few! Diminishing God's grand declarations-teaching they will never be fulfilled. Teaching that the unbelieving dead are not really dead-but rather are suffering in the flames of Hell for ever. Making dozens of statements of gigantic proportions - contradicting hundreds of plain Scriptures to the contrary.

    Here's something you would not hear in Church! Before God judges the rest of the world, he will judge his great house!
    "But in A GREAT HOUSE there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth and some to honor, and some to dishonor" (II Tim. 2:20).

    Just what is this "great house" of which Paul speaks? Let Paul answer:

    "But if I tarry long, that you may know how you ought to behave yourself in the House of God which is The Church of the Living God, the pillar and ground of the truth" (I Tim. 3:15).

    The Apostle Peter tells us that this House of God definitely needs judging:

    "For the time is come that JUDGMENT must BEGIN [did someone say begin?] at The House of God…" (I Pet. 4:17).

    If the "House of God" needed judgment in the days of the Apostles, how much more judgment does it need today? And what did Paul prophesy would happen in this "GREAT House" in our day, "in the LATTER TIMES?" Let’s read it from the source:
    "Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the LATTER TIMES some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking LIES IN HYPOCRISY; having their conscience seared with a hot iron" (I Tim. 4:1-2).

    And this:
    "This, know also, that IN THE LAST DAYS, perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent [without self-control], fierce [brutal], despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady [reckless], high-minded [haughty], lovers of pleasures more than [rather than] lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away… EVER learning, and NEVER able to come to the knowledge of the truth" (II Tim. 3:1-7).

    Some Christians naively believe Paul and all these prophecies are speaking of the whole world of mankind in general. Oh no He isn't:

    God deals more severly with those who know his will (christians) and do not do it, as oppossed to those who don't (atheists).

    "Now that slave who knows the will of the lord and does not make ready, nor yet does aught with a view to his will, shall have many lashes. Now he who does not know, yet does what deserves blows, shall have FEW lashes. Now to everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be sought ..." (Luke 12:47-48).

    Notice here in the above refference "he who does not know" and "deserves blows" will recieve "few lashes".

    So much more to write, but perhaps I shouldn't write it...



     

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