God's Plan

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  1. Azure24

    Azure24 Well-Known Member

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    Who is Jesus, mee??

    Is He not the Saviour of the World??

    "... CHRIST JESUS CAME INTO THE WORLD TO SAVE SINNERS ..." (I Tim.
    1:15)!

    Will He not fufill His role???

    Will He not gather His lost sheep??

    "... Seeing that, while we are STILL sinners, Christ died for our sakes ... Being conciliated, we shall be saved in His Life" (Rom. 5:8-10).

    Firts we read this...

    "... Those who, recognizing the just statute of God, that those committing such things
    , are deserving of DEATH ..."

    Then this...


    "The last enemy is being abolished: DEATH"
    (I Cor. 15:26), in order that " ... God may be All in all" (Ver. 28).

    God planted the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not Satan. And God planted it right in the midst of the Garden where Adam and Eve would surely see it. God watched as Satan maneuvered his way to Eve so as to deceive her. God watched the whole thing! Stop believing that God is surprised or shocked by the actions of His creatures--He is NOT! Besides, the tree contained the knowledge of GOOD! Or did you never notice that? It was GOOD that they ate of the tree. It was GOOD that they disobeyed God. God KNEW THAT THEY WOULD SIN AND DISOBEY FROM LONG BEFORE HE EVER CREATED THEM.
    How stupid do you think God is? It is blasphemy the way people talk about God and give Him no more reasoning powers or abilities than sinful men. It is a SHAME. God knew exactly what HE was doing and He knew exactly everything that Adam and Eve WOULD DO. He is GOD. He knows ALL. Must I quote you all these simple Scriptures that most Sunday School children already know?

    The Lamb of God was "slain from the FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD," the Scriptures tell us. Not from the "sin of Eve." God made provision for the salvation of Adam and Eve BEFORE HE EVER CREATED THEM--that is Scripture! That is not mans' theories! I've posted this stuff too many times.

    One last thought for you. God DID create men spiritually weak so that they cannot resist sin. "ALL have sinned..."It obviously IS God's will that for a time we go AGAINST His will. But. . .BUT, NO ONE EVER goes against God's "INTENTION." There is a giant difference. Paul's detractors ask in Roman's nine, "For who has gone against God's INTENTION?" And the answer is, absolutely NO ONE. It could not even BE God's will that all be saved, unless first ALL ARE LOST!
     
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    Boy oh boy, am I glad I do not follow Paul but Jesus! No Christian who believes Paul's gospel over Jesus' teachings will ever understand what Jesus was trying to teach us. God's Plan as revealed by Jesus is now available in plain language. The Gospel of Humanity explains what Jesus could not in his day because the ancient mind could not comprehend humankind achieving god-like powers but now we know we can and this prophesy of Jesus can now be taken seriously which is impossible to do if one believes Paul over Jesus and thinks human beings incapable of rising to Jesus' level: "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father."
     
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    JEHOVAHS original purpose for the earth will come to be , regardless of any opposition along the way .:)
    satan did and has gone against that purpose, but no worries,
    JEHOVAH IS THE MOST HIGH psalm 83;18 and
    HE WILL PROVE TO BE, WHAT HE WILL PROVE TO BE.
     
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    Peter and Andrew—as well as James and John, the sons of Zebedee—left their boats and followed Jesus. For almost three years, they accompanied Jesus on his preaching tours and received training as evangelizers. (Matthew 10:7; Mark 1:16, 18, 20, 38; Luke 4:43; 10:9)



    At the end of that time, on Nisan 14, 33 C.E., Jesus told them:

    “He that exercises faith in me, that one also will do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these.” (John 14:12)


    Jesus’ disciples would give a thorough witness as Jesus did but on a much larger scale.

    As they soon learned, they and all future disciples would bear witness in “all the nations,” right up until “the conclusion of the system of things.”—Matthew 28:19, 20.



    And it is being made known in this time of the end, matthew 24;14.

    3 guesses who are doing great work making known about the KINGDOM.



    :)MEE HAS FOUND THEM :)


    ITS JEHOVAHS WITNESSES







     
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    :)VERY TRUE INDEED :) JEHOVAHS original purpose to have humans living forever on a paradise earth will come to be .




    And Jesus has a very big part to play in the outworkings of Gods purpose.




    Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
    1 corinthians 15;24-28



    AND THAT LAST ENEMY DEATH WILL BE BROUGHT TO NOTHING
    Or, “is to be destroyed.” Lit., “is being made ineffective.” Gr., ka·tar·gei′tai.



    And death and Ha′des were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire REVELATION 20;14




    gone for good :)



    He will actually swallow up death forever, and the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will certainly wipe the tears from all faces. And the reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth, for Jehovah himself has spoken [it].
    isaiah 25;8



    That is why, just as through one man(ADAM) sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned
    ROMANS 5;12


    But God original purpose will come to be , and death will be swallowed up forever
    :)

     
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    from the beginning of his rebelllion , not from the beginning of his life , remember what Jesus said in ....john 8;44


    You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a manslayer when he began,AND HE DID NOT STAND FAST IN THE TRUTH , because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie].




    Before his rebellion back in the garden of eden, he was in the truth , but rebellion is the beginning of bad things . and he told the first ever lie to eve, he sure is the father of the lie .
    yes he began a bad way


     
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    Yes, exactly...ALL.


     
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    That's real nice mee......However Evil and Calamity are THE SAME!!!

    Look up the word "calamity" in Strong's Concordance and you will find that calamity is found 19 times in the Bible, all in the Old Testament. Three times calamity is translated from the Hebrew word "havvah" and it means "ruin or calamity." Sixteen times calamity is translated from the Hebrew word "eyd" which is defined as "oppression, misfortune, ruin, calamity and destruction." And here is an example of how it is used in Scripture: "I also will laugh at your CALAMITY" (Prov. 1:26). God is not going to "laugh at your EVIL."

    Now then, what word did the Holy Spirit of God inspire to be used in Isa. 45:7? Was it "havvah" or "eyd" which really does mean "calamity?" NO. It was another word. And what word might that be? Well, it would be the word "ra" which means "bad or evil" and is translated "evil" FOUR HUNDRED AND FORTY-TWO TIMES in the Old Testament!!

    Here are just a few examples of how this word is used:

    "And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of the life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and EVIL" (Or does anyone think it should be "the tree of knowledge of good and CALAMITY?" (Gen. 2:9).

    "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only EVIL continually" (Or does anyone think that God say, "...his heart was only CALAMITOUS continually?" (Gen. 6:5).

    "Come now therefore, and let us slay him, and cast him into some pit, and we will say, Some EVIL beast has devoured him..." (Or does anything that that they really said, "Some CALAMITOUS beast has devoured him...?" (Gen. 37:20).

    Look up EVERY one of the 442 verses where "ra" is translated evil, and you will easily see the truth of this word. "Ra" never, EVER, means "calamity." So don't let these lying weasels deceive you into believing their deceitful and unscriptural heresy.
     
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    This is not good enough, did you read the previous verses a gave you on Satan...Explain that...

    Here is the proper translation for your verse...

    "Ye [Gk: ‘all’ of you] are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from ['FROM' not 'SINCE'] the beginning, and abode not ['does not stand' not 'no longer stands'] in the truth, because there is no truth in him ['no truth in him' not 'no longer any truth in him'. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not" (John 8:44-45).

    mee...The hint is in the name...SATAN!! It means 'ADVERSARY'

    "And no marvel [Gk: to wonder with ASTONISHMENT]; for Satan himself is transformed [Gk: meta schematizo, transfigure -- to change the outward form or appearance, to make GLORIOUS] into an ANGEL OF LIGHT" (II Cor. 11:14).

    Did you just read the last verse?? Satan tranformed HIMSELF to a angel of light!! So, mee... is or was he an angel of light?? Do you believe him??

    mee...Where does it say Satan was once a perfect angel and rebelled?? I've read Genesis and I'm afraid I didn't see it....Remeber that post I gave you...The one you ignored??? The one about Satan falling from MAN'S HEAVEN not God's???

    Besides if Satan and God are enemies why doesn't God destroy him??

    In fact why do they interact in Job??

    "And the Lord said unto SATAN, Behold, he [Job] is in your hand; but save his life" (Job 2:6).

    and you know the rest.... Satan had to ask for permission to try Job!!

    Besides do you really think Satan was the main reason why Eve sinned??? I've already explained this one...
     
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    ALL those who are left over in the earth will recieve great blessing even ever lasting life


    For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it.proverbs 2;21-22
     
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    EVIL​
    That which results in pain, sorrow, or distress. In order to convey the correct thought in English, the very comprehensive Hebrew word ra‛ is variously translated as “bad,” “gloomy,” “ugly,” “evil,” “calamitous,” “malignant,” “ungenerous,” and “envious,” depending upon the context. (Ge 2:9; 40:7; 41:3; Ex 33:4; De 6:22; 28:35; Pr 23:6; 28:22)


    The Greek word ka·kos′ may be defined as that which is (1) morally evil and (2) destructive; among the ways it has been translated are: “bad,” “evil,” “hurtful,” “injurious,” “wrong.” (Ro 7:19; 12:17; Col 3:5; Tit 1:12; Heb 5:14)

    The Hebrew verb qa·lal′ means “call down evil upon.”



     
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    yes FROM the time that satan began his rebellion THAT WAS THE BEGINNING OF IT ALL
     
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    We can drop the routine of our enslavement to the animal nature. I think Jesus is a vegetarian. Why was there no reference to the stars, or nature in the bible? Oops, the star of Bethlehem. Never mind.
     
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    That's my point...God calls him 'Adversary'...God GAVE him that purpose.

    ...and by the way, Satan is NOT against God's purpose NO ONE and NOTING IS !!!Otherwise it WOULD NOT EXIST!!! Maybe against His Will but that is another question...

    Here's an easy question mee...What was the purpose for God creating Satan??
     
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    That's why I asked the question...I was hoping you'd put out some unscriptual nonsense...

    First of all Jud.6 is not speaking of the Devil and his angels...I did not once see the word Satan or rebel...It's referring to the people...

    Besides where does it even say Satan is an angel???

    and Gen.6:2 has absolutely NOTHING to do with "fallen angels." The "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" is not speaking of mortals and spirit beings. This is just another one of Christendom's fables.

    Jesus plainly told us that,
    "Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God., For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage [why? why aren't they given in marriage? Answer....] ...but are AS THE ANGELS of God in heaven" (Matt. 22:30).
    The angels CANNOT MARRY (they have no 'marriage apparatus' if you know what I mean). Yet we are told in Gen. 6:2, that "they took them WIVES of all which they chose." To have a "wife" one must be "MARRIED." The sons of God and the daughters of men are BOTH HUMAN.

    Read it through Gen. 6:1-3

    "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,"

    Here it's speaking of men and women...

    "...That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

    STILL speaking of men and women...It can not change to angels all of a sudden...

    "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."

    Still speaking of men...

    Men can be referred to the son of God, since man came from God...

    "Adam, which was the SON of God." (Luk.3:38)

    Women are referred to the daughters of men beacause...

    "And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man." (Gen.2:22)

    I believe that verse 4 of Gen. 6 is a terrible translation in the King James. Since most translators have bought into the 'angels fornicating with women' theory, most of them have a very strange translation of this verse. There are whole words in this Hebrew verse that are not even translated at all in most versions.

    Notice this translation from the Concordant Version:
    "Now the DISTINGUISHED come to be in the earth in those days, and moreover, afterward, coming are those who are sons of God to the daughters of the human, and they bear for them. They are the MASTERS, who are from the eon, MORTALS with the name."
    Must I try to explain all these verses, but at least I want you to know that this is not a case of angels fornicating with women.
     
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    When Jehovah's witnesses start healing the lame and raising the dead I will believe you but I think you're not seriously thinking about what Jesus told of the future of those who followed him. And also, when Jehovah's Witnesses know the origin of Yahweh I will give them credit for spiritual knowledge but they don't, just as they don't know the difference between Yahweh and EL Elyon, God Most High, not knowing that they were different gods before the priests and scribes of Judah had their tribal god, Yahweh, subsume EL with the not too surprising result of producing a thoroughly schizophrenic deity who condemns to death and destruction here and offers lovingkindness there, just like the behavior of Judeo-Christian believers..

    Jesus found his Father, EL Elyon, God Most High, and re-established the ancient Hebrew way of worship of the Most High: through His Son which was Yahweh, as Jesus' name tells us.
     

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