What is Satan and how does he influence my life?

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  1. winner08

    winner08 Well-Known Member

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    I have to admit I know nothing of buddism. But my bliefs are that God uses Satan for His divine purpose. God can not do, think, or be around evil there for God uses Satan. God created Satan and Evil Isa 45:7 Therefore He is responsible for everything we do. Heres the thing WE ARE ACOUNTABLE FOR OUR CHOICES. God gave us a brain so that we can make choices. But our choices are not free from cause. something or someone always influences the choices we make and if something or someone always influences our choices then our choices can not be free. There goes free will. Our will is not free. It is always influence by something or someone.'


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  2. Ahanu

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    Speaking of Satan, I do not think this something or someone is an outside source; satan is our lower nature, so the Illusion comes from within us. Yeah, I believe we have free will to make good or evil choices. However, I do have trouble with some things here . . .

    For example, I said:

    BTW, while writing this, I was a little hesitant to include it. I'm not sure here. I could not help but think of the construction worker who had a metal rod jammed through the front of his brain. All I remember from this story is that once he was a good person. After the accident, their behavior went through a dramatic shift from their normal everday behavior. This person began saying vile comments, acting in selfish ways, and so on. It was an accident that damaged his brain, so how could his current actions be due to Satan's influence on his life? It seems that he does not choose to be good or evil here. His freedom of choice has been diminished to little or none at all because of the way his brain now processes information. Yeah, I question my own conclusion. Like Jesus' dialogue with the Pharisees about the blind man, the conclusion reached was that it was not the result of some sin that he did in the past that the blind man ended up in the condition he was in. As a Baha'i, I do not believe in original sin. It was Satan that gave Adam the inclination to choose to "eat the fruit." It does not make sense to me that through Adam's sin all of humanity now inherits sin. Not only that, but also the idea that nature is also cursed. Natural disasters and physical deformities were most likely occuring long before Homo sapiens entered the scene. It just seems to be nature's order . . . not due to the Satan's influence at all. Those are my jumbled together speculations.
     
  3. citizenzen

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    As Ahanu said in a previous post, "God is love 24/7".

    When I have felt the embrace of God, I have felt only love.

    Satan is our lower nature. It needs no supernatural origin. Luckily lower nature stands no chance against wisdom and compassion.

    It melts away when exposed to the light.
     
  4. Saltmeister

    Saltmeister The Dangerous Dinner

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    I know! Satan is in the metal rod! When the metal rod jammed in his brain, Satan flowed from the rod into his brain and the man become possessed!

    The Christian perspective (I don't know the Jewish perspective) is that we don't inherit the sin, but the ability to consciously, knowingly and deliberately sin. The descendants of Adam inherited what Adam received, which was the knowledge of good and evil, therefore making it possible for Adam and his descendants to choose to do evil. It is not Adam's sin that his descendants inherited, but the consequences.

    With power comes responsibility. Knowledge is power. With our knowledge of good and evil, we have more power, mentally and emotionally, than Adam did before he ate the fruit. Because we have more power, we have more responsibility.

    The curse is in the knowledge, yielding power that we can't control. Power corrupts. We were corrupted by the knowledge and the power coming from the knowledge.

    I often hear it said, that it is better not knowing something because of what it will do to your mind.

    Adam's sin is not insignificant. It has caused misery in the lives of human beings for centuries.

    That's the story.
     
  5. winner08

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    It was Satan that gave Adam the inclination to choose to "eat the fruit.

    You just gave the perfect example of our free will not being free. Satan influenced Adam and Eve to choose to eat the fruit. Satan is the influence. In everything we choose there are always an influence, therefore our choices are not free.

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  6. mee

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    Whose
    influence is pushing the nations to the world situation that will result in war against God?



    Rev. 16:13, 14: “I saw three unclean inspired expressions that looked like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon [Satan the Devil; Rev. 12:9] and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.”
    Compare Luke 4:5, 6;
    1 John 5:19;
    also Acts 5:38, 39;
    2 Chronicles 32:1, 16, 17.




    I am sure you all know the aswer ,the bible is very clear about it




    ITS THE ORIGINAL SERPENT





     
  8. citizenzen

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    Oh I so disagree.

    We are completely free. Nobody chooses for us. We are responsible for our self-indulgent and destructive choices.

    We are responsible for our salvation.
     
  9. winner08

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    I am not trying to convince you of anything. Here try this. when you make a choice think what make you choose that way. it is impossible to make a choice that has no cause. if and it does always have a cause then it can not be free.

    If we are responsible for our salvation why did Jesus die for our sins. Jesus is responisble for our salvation. scripture says WE do not choose God, God chooses us. This is scripture and the inspiered word of God God does not change therefore it is true then and true now. The bible is full of Jesus teachings that God chooses us. Heres another one. Jesus said NO ONE comes to the Father except through the Son. Jesus said I will not loose ONE of my sheep that the FATHER HAS GIVEN TO ME. Salavation is a Gift from God not from man. Like I said I dare you to make one choice that has no cause. No influence on you choice. write down any choices you make then think if something has influence that choice. If you are honest you will see that something has caused the way you chose. It it a law of nature a universal law, cause and effect. it is impossible to make a choice without a caused.

    Nobody choose for us. true. we choose forourselves but it is not a free choice.

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  10. citizenzen

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    That is your belief. To me it is meaningless.
     
  11. Ahanu

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    Again, in my worldview Satan is simply a symbol for our lower nature.

    This is a quick example I am making up to show what I am talking about so I will not cause any confusion on my view: if I was raised in a family where my parents recently divorced, my father is an alcoholic, and the neighborhood is notorious for its drug problem, the person in that family will have a stronger inclination to choose to make the wrong choices, whereas if I was raised by two loving parents, my father is not an alcoholic, and the neighborhood is safe and provides good education, the person will have a lesser inclination to choose to make the wrong choices.

    If the example above I conjured up is not clear, here is another one by Thich Nhat Hanh:

    My point here is that the conditions in this world do appeal to our lower nature, or Satan. Genetic make-up may also play a small role. In the situation above I imagine I would be more inclined to do something like rape, for instance. This is as clear as I can come across with my point of view. Still, I have a free choice to choose to be a pirate rapist or not, but my lower nature would have a stronger inclination on me to rape someone in this position, for example.
     
  12. Ahanu

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    Thanks for wording that so clearly, Saltmeister. Yeah, I think that is the Christian view too. I am going to quote Dr. James Kennedy, a pretty well-known Christian who preaches in Miami, I think. He said: "When Adam sinned, he brought all manner of woes on himself, his posterity, and the earth. The curse is not only transmitted genetically to our children, but we also find it in nature, which suffers because of sin's curse and because of our first parent's disobedience" (Kennedy 125).

    After Adam knows good and evil, why is it that nature is also cursed too? So I am assuming that nature was once in a pre-curse era or something? Perhaps it was all perfect like the garden of eden. I don't know where he is going with that second sentence.


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  13. citizenzen

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    Darren,

    I'd like to try a little experiment. I am going to randomly scratch an armpit... live... right here in the forum

    Ready? Go.

    Right. Left. Left. Left. Left. Right. Right. Left. Right. Left. Left. Right. Left. Right. Left. Left. Right. Left. Right. [rest] Left. Right. Right. Right. Left. Right. Right. Left. Left. Right. Left. Left. Right. Left. Left. Right.

    *phew*

    Okay. I'd like to take full responsibility for this juvenile little demonstration. After all, the hand that did the scratching is attached to my body. My brain is physically wired to initiate and control acts such as scratching. I proceeded with the experiment. I scratched the pit. I exercised my freedom of choice.

    Darren, is there a deterministic explanation for this?
     
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    "god how many fingers am I holding up......"
     
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    (A·za′zel) [Goat That Disappears].


    The word “Azazel” occurs four times in the Bible, in regulations pertaining to Atonement Day.—Le 16:8, 10, 26.



    the goat “for Azazel” pictures the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.





     
  16. winner08

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    Yes it is MY belief. Not only is it MY belief it is Scriptual not an opinion. You do not believe in the scriptures I do. Therefore you do not believe in the word of God.

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  17. winner08

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    Right there proves that you did not act out of free will. I caused you to do that stupid experiment. someone or something always causes you to choose the way you do. it is a law of nature. there is no way around it. Just as the law of gravity here on earth. But if you feel it is meaningless , well that your life not mine.
     
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    Whether you are influenced by everyday advertising may not have serious consequences.

    There is another influence, however, that is much more dangerous.

    The Bible clearly shows that Satan is the master manipulator. (Revelation 12:9)



    His philosophy is basically the same as the thinking of one advertising agent who said that there are two ways to influence customers—“by seducing them or by conditioning them.”


    If propagandists and advertisers can use such subtle techniques to mold your thinking, how much more skilled Satan must be at using similar tactics!—John 8:44.



    yes the whole world is in the power of the wicked one ..... and that wicked one is satan the devil .........1 JOHN 5;19

     
  19. winner08

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    citizenzen, let me ask you a question. are you a sinner? Do you like to sin? Do you wish you could not sin? If so why can't you or anybody else in the world who wishes they would not sin, do so? Why commit a sin? If you have a free will then why can't you use that free will to choose not to sin and be right with God? You can't. So much for your free will. For that matter why do we need God? Why did Jesus have to die for our sins if we have free will. We should be able to choose not to sin and therefore we can choose to be saved, So why do we need God? If we choose not to commit sin why did Jesus have to die for our sins?



    Darren

    Darren
     
  20. Summia Rahmaan

    Summia Rahmaan love to face challenges

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    I'm Muslim. I can guess you mean by non-theist refers to Atheist. We know we are standing at different believes, or I would like to say one sided belief because Atheist comes with no belief *just a statement* if you don't mind.
    In Theist, we refer 'Satan' as evil. It is not just as we watch in our cartoon movies, you know having two horns and red eyes :p !

    Satan can only persuade to convince you to do evil, as already been said one of my fellow here on the post, you have a freewill to choose good or evil. If you convinced by satan you are weak by heart to mind and if not then definately Satan can't convince you.

    You know by your term of non-theist, human behaviors has two aspects, good and evil. Evil comes form Satans convincing and if you succeed to resist then surely you are a good person, sophisticated I mean to say :).
     

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