The recent fireball of Virginia.

[eanassir]

The recent fireball of Virginia​

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/highlights/42125157.html​

This fireball was either a meteorite or a comet.​

The "meteorite" is an inert rock that reaches the ground.​

The "comet" is a fire mass ejected from the sun.​

Therefore, the difference between the meteorite and the comet is that the meteorite is an inert rock originally, whereas originally the comet is a fire mass (but not dirty ice.)​

When the meteorite enters the atmosphere at some altitude, the friction and the oxygen of the air will cause it to become hot, in addition to the existence of some flaming materials like magnesium …etc, may cause it to inflame!​

While the comet is originally a fire mass, and it is attracted to the cold and freezing regions of the earth like Siberia [e.g. the Tunguska comet], and northern Canada and Alaska.
http://universeandquran.t35.com/new_page_3.htm#Comets ​

Therefore, [fireballs that come to such cold countries are almost some comets or fractions of comets, unless proved otherwise].​

And this is the reason for the confusion about the fireballs:
because the astronomers have some wrong idea about the comet that it includes dirty ice, whereas the truth is that the comet is a fire mass hurled out of the sun following some local explosions there.​

 

[Tao_Equus]

The recent fireball of Virginia​

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/highlights/42125157.html
This fireball was either a meteorite or a comet.
The "meteorite" is an inert rock that reaches the ground.
The "comet" is a fire mass ejected from the sun.
Therefore, the difference between the meteorite and the comet is that the meteorite is an inert rock originally, whereas originally the comet is a fire mass (but not dirty ice.)
When the meteorite enters the atmosphere at some altitude, the friction and the oxygen of the air will cause it to become hot, in addition to the existence of some flaming materials like magnesium …etc, may cause it to inflame!
While the comet is originally a fire mass, and it is attracted to the cold and freezing regions of the earth like Siberia [e.g. the Tunguska comet], and northern Canada and Alaska.
http://universeandquran.t35.com/new_page_3.htm#Comets
Therefore, [fireballs that come to such cold countries are almost some comets or fractions of comets, unless proved otherwise].
And this is the reason for the confusion about the fireballs: because ((the astronomers have some wrong idea about the comet that it includes dirty ice, whereas the truth is that the comet is a fire mass hurled out of the sun following some local explosions there.))​

........Bollox.

 

[wil]

Where do you get your definitions from?

A science class may be in order...

 

[eanassir]

As I remember in the Encarta American Encyclopedia:
The meteor: the celestial body that burns and disappear before reaching the ground.
See about the meteor here:
Cause of the Gravitation

The meteorite: the celestial rock that reaches the ground.
See about the meteorite here:
Cause of the Gravitation

While the comet: they define it wrongly; because they have mistaken about its origin (they say: from the Kuipper belt; while it is from the sun); and have mistaken about its constituents (they say it includes dirty ice!)
See about the comet here:
part3

 

[eanassir]

........Bollox.

It depends on your horse: whether it is a cart horse or Arabian Andalusian horse.

 

[wil]

While the comet: they define it wrongly; because they have mistaken about its origin (they say: from the Kuipper belt; while it is from the sun); and have mistaken about its constituents (they say it includes dirty ice!)
See about the comet here:
part3

Unfortuneately as with those that wish to take the 7 days of genesis litterally, if you are to stick to these definitions you will relegate yourself to the knowledge of past centuries and not that of today.

We have groups in the US, the Amish, who decided time stopped in the 1800's and electricity is the work of the devil...of course they have pay phones out front...just not in the house...and instead of using an electric motor they'll use a deisel motor to get around their religious rules and the deisel will run a compressor which will provide air for sanders and drills and saws that operate like electric saws yet fit their paradigm.

Then we have sabbath goys and time clocks and various methods observant Jews use to justify/get around their religious rules and still maintain observance.

Truth be told we are all committing adultery, adulterating our principles in one way or another.

It amazes me, in the 15th century Islam was the holder of science and math...they were the eilte...while the world lost direction...

And now some sects are insisting on staying in that century in some ways, all the while though building high rises off the revenue of oil production and denying...what now...comets???

Tis a shame my brother...

 

[Tao_Equus]

Here we have 2 images of comets that we have intercepted to study with real scientific instruments.

Image1:
The composite ITS image with three ice-rich regions shown in blue hues, are located near locally cold regions.

Photo Credit: NASA/UM/SAIC J. M. Sunshine et al., Science 311, 1453 (2006); published online 2 February 2006 (10.1126/science.1123632). Reprinted with permission from AAAS.

Image2:
On January 2, 2004, NASA's Stardust spacecraft made a close flyby of comet Wild 2 (pronounced "Vilt-2"). Among the equipment the spacecraft carried on board was a navigation camera. This is the 34th of the 72 images taken by Stardust's navigation camera during close encounter. The exposure time was 10 milliseconds. The two frames are actually of 1 single exposure. The frame on the left depicts the comet as the human eye would see it. The frame on the right depicts the same image but "stretched" so that the faint jets emanating from Wild 2 can be plainly seen. Comet Wild 2 is about five kilometers (3.1 miles) in diameter.
Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech

To believe that a comet is a bit of plasma ejected from the sun is just sheer idiocy. But you are entitled to be an idiot.

 

[eanassir]

Unfortuneately as with those that wish to take the 7 days of genesis litterally, if you are to stick to these definitions you will relegate yourself to the knowledge of past centuries and not that of today.

We have groups in the US, the Amish, who decided time stopped in the 1800's and electricity is the work of the devil...of course they have pay phones out front...just not in the house...and instead of using an electric motor they'll use a deisel motor to get around their religious rules and the deisel will run a compressor which will provide air for sanders and drills and saws that operate like electric saws yet fit their paradigm.

Then we have sabbath goys and time clocks and various methods observant Jews use to justify/get around their religious rules and still maintain observance.

Truth be told we are all committing adultery, adulterating our principles in one way or another.

It amazes me, in the 15th century Islam was the holder of science and math...they were the eilte...while the world lost direction...

And now some sects are insisting on staying in that century in some ways, all the while though building high rises off the revenue of oil production and denying...what now...comets???

Tis a shame my brother...

There is nothing like that; but the electricity is good and the phone is good; you are only like one who lied then believed his lies – this is a parable.
And shame on you, because you don't want to consider any new idea, just sticking to your tradition and presumptive opinions. ​

 

[eanassir]

Here we have 2 images of comets that we have intercepted to study with real scientific instruments.

Image1:
The composite ITS image with three ice-rich regions shown in blue hues, are located near locally cold regions.

Photo Credit: NASA/UM/SAIC J. M. Sunshine et al., Science 311, 1453 (2006); published online 2 February 2006 (10.1126/science.1123632). Reprinted with permission from AAAS.

Image2:
On January 2, 2004, NASA's Stardust spacecraft made a close flyby of comet Wild 2 (pronounced "Vilt-2"). Among the equipment the spacecraft carried on board was a navigation camera. This is the 34th of the 72 images taken by Stardust's navigation camera during close encounter. The exposure time was 10 milliseconds. The two frames are actually of 1 single exposure. The frame on the left depicts the comet as the human eye would see it. The frame on the right depicts the same image but "stretched" so that the faint jets emanating from Wild 2 can be plainly seen. Comet Wild 2 is about five kilometers (3.1 miles) in diameter.
Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech

To believe that a comet is a bit of plasma ejected from the sun is just sheer idiocy. But you are entitled to be an idiot.

........Bollox.
I have now become certain of your stupidity, and that your horse is only a mule.
These are not comets, but only asteroids or meteoritic rocks; they mistakenly named them as comets: the comet is a hot flaming mass with a tail of hot gases attracted to it; the direction of the tail is always away from the sun.​

 

[17th Angel]

lol who really gives an arse what it's called!! something came from outta freaking space man! awesome.

**goes off into a distant image**

Oh my men from mars have landed!!!! (no connection to previous threads lol)

No wait... They are martians......

(someone else) Well no cause technically to be a martian you nbeed to abc defg hi lk mnop!!!

(another) Not that is native space creatures!!! Cause....

(some woman) No they are little green men!!!!!!!

Oh boy did they focus on the minor

 

[wil]

There is nothing like that; but the electricity is good and the phone is good; you are only like one who lied then believed his lies – this is a parable.


And shame on you, because you don't want to consider any new idea, just sticking to your tradition and presumptive opinions. ​

Namaste eanassir,

I am the one that is rejecting new ideas? When you are trying to justify what was written a millenia ago as an explanation of the day which has been superceded by science? I am the one sticking to tradition?

You'll find a plethora of folks 'round here who will tell you that 'tradition' has no hold on me. And this appears to be an example why it is scary when folks think tradition is king. It absolutely appears to me you are bright and able to think for yourself, yet you are allowing someone else to feed you erroneous information. And I'd even think they are telling you don't listen to those outside your group/sect/denomination/religion as they know nothing...

That in itself is always a sure sign of trouble. I have faith you'll see thru the viel eventually.

 

[eanassir]

lol who really gives an arse what it's called!! something came from outta freaking space man! awesome.

**goes off into a distant image**

Oh my men from mars have landed!!!! (no connection to previous threads lol)

No wait... They are martians......

(someone else) Well no cause technically to be a martian you nbeed to abc defg hi lk mnop!!!

(another) Not that is native space creatures!!! Cause....

(some woman) No they are little green men!!!!!!!

Oh boy did they focus on the minor

Hi, bracelet man
You have a nice imagination, indeed.

 

[17th Angel]

Bracelet man....?

That can be taken only three ways... What did you mean?

And indeed it is a nice imagination, however the main parts of that story were true in this story also....... Focusing on being right instead of something else.

 

[eanassir]

Namaste eanassir,

I am the one that is rejecting new ideas? When you are trying to justify what was written a millenia ago as an explanation of the day which has been superceded by science? I am the one sticking to tradition?

You'll find a plethora of folks 'round here who will tell you that 'tradition' has no hold on me. And this appears to be an example why it is scary when folks think tradition is king. It absolutely appears to me you are bright and able to think for yourself, yet you are allowing someone else to feed you erroneous information. And I'd even think they are telling you don't listen to those outside your group/sect/denomination/religion as they know nothing...

That in itself is always a sure sign of trouble. I have faith you'll see thru the viel eventually.

Wil,
The truth has nothing to do with a millenia or less or more; the word of God in the Quran is the truth.

As in the Quran 33: 4

وَاللَّهُ يَقُولُ الْحَقَّ وَهُوَ يَهْدِي السَّبِيلَ

The explanation:
(But God does tell [you] the truth and He does show the

way.)​

And it seems it is you that have such friends who tell you don't listen to the Quran; because it is only some fabrication that was invented by Mohammed, and it is not the word of God!

And BTW: what is that your bird doing ? It seems like the ancient Indian magic!​

eanassir

http://universeandquran.t35.com​

 

[Tao_Equus]

........Bollox.
I have now become certain of your stupidity, and that your horse is only a mule.
These are not comets, but only asteroids or meteoritic rocks; they mistakenly named them as comets: the comet is a hot flaming mass with a tail of hot gases attracted to it; the direction of the tail is always away from the sun.​

We can all see the efficacy and value of your certainties. In the interests of science, do you have a family history of lunacy?

If you keep linking to your cesspit of a site you will just end up banned. And I do not want that. You are too funny to lose.... yeh like I'm laughing.

 

[wil]

Wil,
The truth has nothing to do with a millenia or less or more; the word of God in the Quran is the truth.

And it seems it is you that have such friends who tell you don't listen to the Quran; because it is only some fabrication that was invented by Mohammed, and it is not the word of God!

And BTW: what is that your bird doing ? It seems like the ancient Indian magic!​

asallam alekum eanassir,

No one tells me not to read anything. The Holy Quran is on my bookshelf and available to me, my friends and my children. However what was written by Mohammed pbuh back then was instrumental then. In order for some of this information to be utilized today one either has to stick with the mindset of that day or treat it as a parable, a metaphor, and realize that a literal interpretation in the light of today's science is not available.

Now if you were to hold onto what you say as literal truth and fact and if this is proven false it will destroy the rest of your beliefs you are in trouble.

This happens to many fundamentalists/literallists in many faiths, they buy what they are taubht hook line and sinker as the unadulterated word of G1d and when it is apparent it is otherwise the whole house of cards crumbles...not because there isn't value in the words and stories in the book, but because someone built a ficititious house of cards from the book, a house without foundation and when removed it destroys the belief of the individual.

I'd rather this not happen to you, I'd rather you open yourself to a new understanding. Now if we were talking Christianity this is where Thomas would accuse me of removing faith and putting nothing in its place. But this is not my place, you need to find your truth for yourself.

salam

 

[eanassir]

Bracelet man....?

That can be taken only three ways... What did you mean?

And indeed it is a nice imagination, however the main parts of that story were true in this story also....... Focusing on being right instead of something else.

I don't mean anything more than I saw the bracelet in your avatar. With all my respect.

But some guys here are mocking me, and I shall mock them in the same their way and more.

Why shouldn't they discuss the idea scientifically with mutual respect? Or else will they have some bias as have they closed my first thread concerning the people of Mars?

Then this will not be any interfaith; and it is actually not at all as it seems obvious to me.

 

[17th Angel]

OOOH Neclace?

I was going to say the bracelet is like the spoon, there is no spoon. I was fond of my neclace at that age

I think you will find there are a few here that (not sure why have to ask them.) Have a real thing for going after those that mention Islam. *shruggs* Being indeed as you say an interfaith forum, you'll find that there are some that Just don't accept others faiths and views.... But that is kinda life....

Quite a tight knit community and alot of time humour and jokes and dare I say nonesense do tend to slip into conversations/threads. (this is one I am guilty for alot) Not always mockery thats a harsh word heh.

Oh regards to that thread, I believe some saw it as just an advertisement for your website. You can take that up with the ADMIN here if you wish? Maybe others saw it as more an Islam thread than science too... Again perhaps take it up with ADMIN?

eye for an eye eh? Nice.

 

[Tao_Equus]

I don't mean anything more than I saw the bracelet in your avatar. With all my respect.

But some guys here are mocking me, and I shall mock them in the same their way and more.

Why shouldn't they discuss the idea scientifically with mutual respect? Or else will they have some bias as have they closed my first thread concerning the people of Mars?

Then this will not be any interfaith; and it is actually not at all as it seems obvious to me.

It is not a platform for your lunacy nor to promote your site of lunacy....no. If you want to challenge the findings of science with the camp-fire musings of long dead camel herders go ahead. But if you do then you need to accept that mockery will be a not uncommon response.

 

[eanassir]

asallam alekum eanassir,

No one tells me not to read anything. The Holy Quran is on my bookshelf and available to me, my friends and my children. However what was written by Mohammed pbuh back then was instrumental then. In order for some of this information to be utilized today one either has to stick with the mindset of that day or treat it as a parable, a metaphor, and realize that a literal interpretation in the light of today's science is not available.

Now if you were to hold onto what you say as literal truth and fact and if this is proven false it will destroy the rest of your beliefs you are in trouble.

This happens to many fundamentalists/literallists in many faiths, they buy what they are taubht hook line and sinker as the unadulterated word of G1d and when it is apparent it is otherwise the whole house of cards crumbles...not because there isn't value in the words and stories in the book, but because someone built a ficititious house of cards from the book, a house without foundation and when removed it destroys the belief of the individual.

I'd rather this not happen to you, I'd rather you open yourself to a new understanding. Now if we were talking Christianity this is where Thomas would accuse me of removing faith and putting nothing in its place. But this is not my place, you need to find your truth for yourself.

salam

Wil, salam
If you believe in the Quran which is the revealed word of God, then you put it in your heart before laying it on the shelf.
Moreover, Mohammed – salam be to him – did not write or read; because he was illiterate, and he did not write the Quran, but it was revealed to him by the angel Gabriel and he conveyed it to his people who wrote it on the parchment, wood boards …etc.
This is in the Quran 4: 163-164​

إِنَّا أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ كَمَا أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَى نُوحٍ وَالنَّبِيِّينَ مِن بَعْدِهِ وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإْسْحَقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالأَسْبَاطِ وَعِيسَى وَأَيُّوبَ وَيُونُسَ وَهَارُونَ وَسُلَيْمَانَ وَآتَيْنَا دَاوُودَ زَبُورًا . وَرُسُلاً قَدْ قَصَصْنَاهُمْ عَلَيْكَ مِن قَبْلُ وَرُسُلاً لَّمْ نَقْصُصْهُمْ عَلَيْكَ وَكَلَّمَ اللّهُ مُوسَى تَكْلِيمًا​

The explanation:
(We have revealed [the Quran] to you [Mohammed]
as had We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him,
as had We revealed to Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob and the tribes,
and Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron and Solomon,
and as had We imparted to David the Psalms.

And messengers We mentioned to you [Mohammed] before and messengers We have not mentioned to you – But Moses did God speak to with a [hearable] speech.)
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Some words like "fundamentalist" and "extremist" have been used to overcome by word anyone who speaks with the Quran: the word of God – be glorified.
And you may discover by time, that I may not be as you imagine; because I follow the First Commandment which is the most important of all the Commandments as Jesus Christ said in the Gospel.
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