The recent fireball of Virginia.

Tao_Equus said:
It is not a platform for your lunacy nor to promote your site of lunacy....no. If you want to challenge the findings of science with the camp-fire musings of long dead camel herders go ahead. But if you do then you need to accept that mockery will be a not uncommon response.
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Mr. Equus, it is your lunacy that you accept such silly theory like the comet is a dirty ice sandwiched inside a rock, and when it is at some considerable distance at the distance of some planets from the sun, it will start to boil! and the jet of the tail will then start!
And you believe that comets circle around the sun, and some of them may not come until two thousand years later!
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eanassir said:
Mr. Equus, it is your lunacy that you accept such silly theory like the comet is a dirty ice sandwiched inside a rock, and when it is at some considerable distance at the distance of some planets from the sun, it will start to boil! and the jet of the tail will then start!
And you believe that comets circle around the sun, and some of them may not come until two thousand years later!
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I know that the profit Muhammad (PUHB) was a physicist and rocket scientist. He worked out how to build a rocket and blast it into a trajectory where it would intercept a comet that had previously been detected far out in the solar system heading in toward the sun. This agglomeration of ice and dust that was filmed erupting jets of vapour that constitute its tail presented a problem for him however. No Bedouin worth his truss was going to believe such a cold icy object could look like it was on fire! So just to make it understandable to the ignorant he invented the story of Plasma being ejected from the sun and that such and event warped space time so you saw it happening backwards!! Of course even though he was a fantastic physicist and rocket engineer he could not read or write. Thus some lowly mortal had to do it, did not fully understand, and thus we only have the crazy misunderstandings of a scribe. This was all revealed to me while I was in the bath by some old lady called Gaby. I had the police remove her and she is now in a secure facility. Maybe even in the room next to you ;)
 
wil said:
If you refuse to discuss Sciencewe will move this to the islam board so you may discuss the nature of your thoughts with others of your belief. (please note your discussions to date do not fit the secular requirement of this board)

check out these two videos....(put up with some short commercials)

Space fireworks - MSN Video

Space fireworks - MSN Video
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Till now, there hasn't been any scientific objection, (other than mockery and ridicule), so that I may answer them scientifically.
Moreover, give ideas for discussion better than videos (which may be difficult to my internet service to display in good way.)
Therefore, let them give their objections systematically and one point by one. And read carefully the links that I give, and don't let the notion [that the Quran was revealed more than 1400 years ago] hinder any reasonable man from considering the facts included and any idea displayed.

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To see an example of their discussions see the previous reply of Tao_Equus, and how he called the Prophet: profit, and read the rest of his reply speaking about rockets :D and he used some words indicating his origin like Gaby which means "stupid" in Arabic, and I may prove for him who is the Gaby; will he then admit it :D
 
eanassir said:
Till now, there hasn't been any scientific objection, (other than mockery and ridicule), so that I may answer them scientifically.
Moreover, give ideas for discussion better than videos (which may be difficult to my internet service to display in good way.)
Therefore, let them give their objections systematically and one point by one. And read carefully the links that I give, and don't let the notion [that the Quran was revealed more than 1400 years ago] hinder any reasonable man from considering the facts included and any idea displayed.

part3

To see an example of their discussions see the previous reply of Tao_Equus, and how he called the Prophet: profit, and read the rest of his reply speaking about rockets :D and he used some words indicating his origin like Gaby which means "stupid" in Arabic, and I may prove for him who is the Gaby; will he then admit it :D
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I can speak only for myself but I can assure you I took a look at the 'evidence' you presented and can only conclude it to be the mindless drivel of one too obsessed to understand objectivity. This is the science section and if you come here using what after all said and done is only the standard crap of the zealot you cannot expect to be taken seriously.
Modern science has detected these objects far out in space, long before they are ever visible to the unaided eye. We can track their trajectories and can and HAVE sent up probes to analyse and even impact them. These probes carried an array of sensitive instruments that clearly show them to be composed of water and gaseous ice, dust and rock. They are quite low density objects and their composition fits the predictions made previous to their interception. This is all hard and indisputable science. But you do not want to talk science. You want to platform your notions born of an indoctrination into the infallibility of a book that is itself the bwastard son of many far older books. Now even leaving that aside if you had the common sense to take the empirical evidence presented by NASA and dozens of independently minded scientists as good science and work from that maybe we could have a meaningful discussion. But you insult the integrity of the scientific community, you insult my intelligence and you insult human progress itself. So why should I do anything but ridicule you?
Gaby is short for Gabriel, interesting freudian slip on behalf of Islam that it also means stupid.
 
It is quite impossible to have a rational conversation with anyone who has convinced themselves that there is a literal hell and heaven which people are sorted out to attend for eternity.
It is like trying to talk science with chicken little...oh no, the sky is falling.
Such people have not intellectually matured to the point where they can rightly interpret a parable/metaphor/allegory and so are like little babes who still believe in a literal boogie man/devil.
 
wil said:
If you refuse to discuss Sciencewe will move this to the islam board so you may discuss the nature of your thoughts with others of your belief. (please note your discussions to date do not fit the secular requirement of this board)

check out these two videos....(put up with some short commercials)

Space fireworks - MSN Video

Space fireworks - MSN Video
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These two videos are nice.
Some important points to bear in mind:
It is an excellent achievement; no one objects. They hit the object (supposed to be a comet) with a metallic piece, then a cloud issued that prevented them from seeing what is there.
Then later on they brought the samples of this deep impact to the earth, where they investigated it, to find many mysterious findings: even about the origin of this object supposed to be a comet. The scientists who investigated the returned samples said it indicates its origin may be not as thought before. I tried to find the link that once I kept, but could not find it now; when I find this link I may give it to you.
The ice covered the surface of this object, not its interior.
In conclusion, I think the object that they impacted was not any comet, but an asteroid or some celestial meteoritic rock. That Temple 1 as they call it had not any gas tail, and the ice cover its outer surface, and the investigation of the returned sample goes with this more than with a comet.​

 
Tao_Equus said:
Gaby is short for Gabriel...
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These people are strange indeed. What's the matter with you that you speak about Gabriel – salam be to him? Glory be to God! How similar are the sons to their fathers!

Some of the Jews at the time of Prophet Mohammed – salam be to him, asked him: "Who brought the revelation to you, Mohammed?"

Mohammed answered: "Gabriel revealed the Quran to me."

The Jew said to his comrades and to people who were there: "Then I am an enemy of this Gabriel: for why shouldn't he bring the revelation to us: we the Children of Israel, but in stead he revealed to Mohammed!"

And this aya 2: 97-98 was revealed:​

قُلْ مَن كَانَ عَدُوًّا لِّجِبْرِيلَ فَإِنَّهُ نَزَّلَهُ عَلَى قَلْبِكَ بِإِذْنِ اللّهِ مُصَدِّقاً لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَهُدًى وَبُشْرَى لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ .مَن كَانَ عَدُوًّا لِّلّهِ وَمَلآئِكَتِهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَجِبْرِيلَ وَمِيكَالَ فَإِنَّ اللّهَ عَدُوٌّ لِّلْكَافِرِينَ​

The explanation:
(Say, 'Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel? For he has come down with it [: the Quran] upon your heart, with God's permission [so what's his crime that they become enemy of him], believing in that which is by his hands, and a guidance and glad tidings to believers.​

Whoever is an enemy to God and His angels and His apostles and Gabriel and Michael – then, surely, God is an enemy to the unbelievers.)​
 
shawn said:
It is quite impossible to have a rational conversation with anyone who has convinced themselves that there is a literal hell and heaven which people are sorted out to attend for eternity.

It is like trying to talk science with chicken little...oh no, the sky is falling.

Such people have not intellectually matured to the point where they can rightly interpret a parable/metaphor/allegory and so are like little babes who still believe in a literal boogie man/devil.
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If you are rational and certainly you are not like little babies, then you can rightly interpret the parable of Jesus: "The weeds in the field": Matthew 13: 24-31
and at the time of the harvest, the servants will cast the weeds in the fire ?
 
wil said:
moved to abrahamic...references of the Quran and Bible are not scientific evidence but religious discussion of nature...
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Ha ha ha... and again... ha ha ha
So this is it. This is their interfaith...
They give chance to others to mock and ridicule ... no scientific discussion ... they demand scientific discussion ... but they do not discuss any scientific points ... then they insert another topic The thunderbolts of Gods ... this is the scientific ... then they went on with their mockery and ridiculing without scientific discussion ... then they move it because it is Abrahamic and not suitable ...funny indeed :D
 
then they insert another topic The thunderbolts of Gods
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Actually I, not they.
And reading your post just reminded me of it as I had it in mind to get around to posting it sometime soon.
So don't go reading some great conspiracy into that OK?!
 
eanassir said:
If you are rational and certainly you are not like little babies, then you can rightly interpret the parable of Jesus: "The weeds in the field": Matthew 13: 24-31
and at the time of the harvest, the servants will cast the weeds in the fire ?
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I rightly interprete it to be an insertion put there by the heaven and hell gang to fill up the ranks of the faithful.

Religions which have to do with heaven and hell after one life are more about social control than anything else.
they are manmade devices.
Just like the BS going on in the mid-east right now with all the perpetual warfare being propped up with the fear generated by "terrorist threats"

First they build the big scary monster, then they spend trillions to put it down, which they say they cannot do quickly or easily and so they also must change the political structure of the world and turn the free world into hitlers daydream fantasy of surveillance and no rights, etc, ad nauseum.

They know tales of satan will not work anymore, neither will hellfire and damnation, so they have concocted a new PR angle and are working it like a 2 bit whore.

We all need to grow up a bit and learn to recognize propaganda when we see it.
 
eanassir said:
Ha ha ha... and again... ha ha ha
So this is it. This is their interfaith...
They give chance to others to mock and ridicule ... no scientific discussion ... they demand scientific discussion ... but they do not discuss any scientific points ... then they insert another topic The thunderbolts of Gods ... this is the scientific ... then they went on with their mockery and ridiculing without scientific discussion ... then they move it because it is Abrahamic and not suitable ...funny indeed :D
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I attempted on at least three occasions to present science that is beyond dispute and on three occasions you completely ignored it.

The truth is you are not at all interested in inter-anything. Your only aim and purpose here is to evangelise your peculiarity and promote your own website. This forum has a variety of members and now you insult all of them with your insinuations which are very obviously nothing more than your own chagrin at receiving the ridicule your ideas deserve. If you do not like it here you are free to disappear any time. But if you think you can continue to INSULT my intelligence by posting religious nonsense on the science thread then you can only expect me to shine a bright light of reason on your lunacy.
 
eanassir said:
And shame on you, because you don't want to consider any new idea, just sticking to your tradition and presumptive opinions. :cool:​
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The sad thing, really, is that you want to complete re-write scientific observation in order to support a theological point.

The tragedy is that the Quran extolls learning and knowledge, and this precept led to the Golden Age of Islam around the 8-10th centuries, when the Arab world was the most scientifically advanced on earth.

How far Islam has fallen since then, as fundamentalists try to rewrite science and reject learning and knowledge, because some how their faith in God is so fragile and threatened by details of modern science.
 
eanassir said:
Ha ha ha... and again... ha ha ha
So this is it. This is their interfaith...
They give chance to others to mock and ridicule ... no scientific discussion ... they demand scientific discussion ... but they do not discuss any scientific points ... then they insert another topic The thunderbolts of Gods ... this is the scientific ... then they went on with their mockery and ridiculing without scientific discussion ... then they move it because it is Abrahamic and not suitable ...funny indeed :D
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Namaste eanassir,

Again, I read your posts and have to realize you are lucid, can write, can make a point, however fail to see you providing documentation that proves your thesis. Quoting from the Quran in response to modern information simply is not scientific discussion, it is religious discussion.

At the same time I realize you are human and have a viewpoint and feelings and are willing to discuss, therefore I apologize for me being short and amazed at your beliefs in this regard. I also wish to say that name calling and putting folks down is not the goal of this site. It is our goal to discuss, educate and develop an understanding for each others beleifs. It is just that your beliefs are far contrary to many of ours and when you wish to describe them as science and redefine comets we don't see you providing any information which has the potential to sway us to accept your understanding.

Beyond that, maybe I should have placed this in Islamic, so some Muslims would be likely to read and respond and you could discuss your ideas with them. That might be a start for you, and we could watch that discussion unfold.
 
Eanassir,

You seem to have a deep understanding of both science and religion :cool:

Can you tell us, have you done any time or space travel yourself ? You know if you travel close to the speed of light you can time travel, are you from another time period, perhaps you stood with Moses at Mt. Sinai or from the future, should I re-invest in the stock market ? :D
 
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