It never did. Expressing an opinion is one thing, but suggesting that something is inherently wrong with an entire group of people and that they should be cured of a part of their being which is not an illness is insensitive and arrogant. I and others have said as much, and more, earlier in this thread.
I agree that using the word "cured" is insensitive but if it is a lifestyle choice then I personally feel it is a wrong choice and believe I should be allowed to express that view as long as I am not just trying to attack for the sake of it.
At the end of the day science is yet to show whether homosexuality is an illness, an altered gene, an unconcious psychological decision, a taught behaviour, a lifestyle choice or whatever and yet you put in bold that it is not an illness .. I am not suggesting it is or isn't, I just think at this stage we don't have an answer for the question why a small percentage of humanity are homosexual.
How is it possible that you compare homosexuality to pedophilia and then in the same breath say, "you are in no way comparing homosexual life to pedophilia"?
Exactly what kind of point are you trying to make?
Because I was not comparing the two, I was saying we all accept one as wrong and nobody condemns us for saying it is wrong but when we say another behaviour is wrong we are suddenly demonising a group of people.
Either we can express our view that a group of people are behaving in a "wrong" manner or we can't .. which is it in your opinion?
Allow me to give you a different example, punishing children by hitting. This is a behaviour pattern, often taught in childhood or a cultural norm. Most people would now agree it is wrong to hit your children, so are we simply trying to demonise parents who hit their children by saying their behaviour is wrong?
Perhaps they feel they cannot help themselves, perhaps they would look to the animal kingdom and say many species teach by physical punishment so why shouldn't we?!
I hope you now understand the point I was trying to make.
You ENJOYED this??? This was just about the nastiest thread we've had in months. Everybody else was relieved to let it sink to the bottom.
Yes I enjoyed it because not being gay it is not a subject I can ever really understand, as you could not understand what it is like to be a woman. It was interesting to see how people supported their views.
It is my very heart that is attacked here. Postmaster wants to cut the heart out of me, to replace it with one more like his, so vastly superior one.
Postmaster, like me, has no concept of what being gay feels like, what emotions or physical urges you feel but he appears (from reading the thread) to believe that hetrosexuality is the norm for humans and anything that deviates from that is not normal .. it's not like it's a new idea or a personal attack on you.
Wanting people to fit in to your (not you personally) concept of the norm to be accepted in society is hardly a new concept, just read back your comments about my dress or your opinions about conspiracy theories.
He is trying to understand the issue, he appears to accept that homosexuality is not simply a choice .. like you wake up one day and decide to have a gay day .. he also appears not to believe homosexual acts are natural and is therefore exploring whether it is some kind of illness that can be cured.
I am sure that sounds insulting to you, as I feel insulted when people suggest I must have a mental illness for converting to Islam but would it not be better to explain or give reference links to homosexuality and studies on the subject?
Should you have to explain yourself .. I don't know but I do know that I can either try to explain my religious beliefs in order to foster understanding or go down the "everyone hates me and you're all going to hell" road.
Liar. You are doing nothing else. It is always the first comparison the religious go for.
Actually I am not a liar, I do not feel that pedophilia is comparable to homosexuality. One reason is, the first is the deliberate preying on the innocent who cannot defend themselves, whereas homosexuality is consensual between two adults who know what they are signing up for.
The second example I have given above also does not compare parents who hit their children to homosexuality .. I am simply trying to explore where people feel it is ok to believe a behaviour is wrong and where they feel it demonises.
You CHOOSE to be: rather than appear as a human being, you would rather be as featureless a blob as you can manage. It is, of course, your choice, but stop expressing surprise that such a severe rejection of the human form is off-putting to others. To me, it amounts to a rejection of God Himself.
Sorry Bobx but you can't have it both ways. You say I should not be surprised that people are put off by my rejection of the human form but then say it is only hate that makes people suggest your rejection of how sexual organs naturally fit together is wrong and feel insulted by such comments.
Come on Bobx, choose one. Either we should both be allowed to live our lives as we choose without having to endure constant insults and judgement or we should both have to conform to what is deemed normal in the majority of society in order to avoid such judgement and ridicule.
You say mine is a choice, suggesting your's isn't but who in their right mind would want to be under 4 layers of clothing from head to toe in 45 degree heat?! It is not a choice, it is a requirement from G-d but yes I choose to adhere to that requirement.
However I have yet to see any evidence that your sexual preference is not a lifestyle choice given that you must derive more sexual pleasure from a man than you would from a woman.
Many of us believe homosexual acts are a choice but not being gay I will never know for sure .. nobody is compelled to have sex with anyone of any gender, we choose to do it because it gives us pleasure and we are all capable of denying ourselves such pleasures but we choose not to.
Anal sex is used by many hetrosexual couples, as well as homosexuals, as a form of pleasure but if they convert to Islam they must cease this practice, they must refuse to follow their sexual desires .. as they must refuse themselves the pleasures of alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, sex before marriage, etc.
Now surely those people could argue that anal sex is used in the animal kingdom or they can't control their natural urges, that doesn't make it right or mean the rest of us have to accept it as right.
At the end of the day our sexual organs have a purpose, most men love to play with womens breasts, as a form of pleasure for both parties but the purpose of breasts is to feed a baby. The reason they have nerve endings is to start the flow of milk when a baby suckles, the facxt that gives pleasure to the woman is an aside.
I think this becomes more apparent in lesbians, who do not have an organ that can enter their female partner .. their bodies are simply not designed to go together. Yes they can use other methods to pleasure each other but it has no purpose other than sexual gratification and human life is not all about that I think we can all agree.
