Can anyone convince me to not to believe in God?

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  1. Postmaster

    Postmaster New Member

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    I'd like someone to try convince me why I shouldn't believe in my monotheistic God.
     
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    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    I would speak to you why there is -NO- god... But I wouldn't speak to you, with an agenda to make you change your fantasy that there is a god. There is a difference.

    --edit--

    "Common sense isn't commom." - Your quote below your handle... What is commom? *smirks*
     
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    haha thats what I like about that quote, that many people feel like its true to them, I'm aware of the egoism this quote brings to people lol

    Lets face it I probably can't be convinced there isnt a God. But Im waiting for a rare accpetion to prove me wrong. My view on God is an Agnostos Panentheistic Monotheist somewhere up there whom even Atheists are working for.
     
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    nativeastral fluffy future

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    hey mon tis true sense doesn't just com wid mom but they certainly start the process of internalising it to then externalise and harmonise it.
     
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    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    I need no quote to bring me egoism... I am just oozing with it.

    As I said though, not gonna try and make you change your mind ;) Pretty convinced eh? Although one should never say never...
     
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    nativeastral fluffy future

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    but not down here and in you or me?
     
  7. Eudaimonist

    Eudaimonist In Galt We Trust

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    Why do you believe in your monotheistic God?


    eudaimonia,

    Mark
     
  8. Postmaster

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    Religious expereince.
     
  9. Dream

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    Go ahead. I want to see if you get struck by lightening. I mean no offense to you personally!

    I am not sure whether it would work though, because you were reared believing in God. You probably will always live and behave as if there is a God. So what is the difference between that and believing that there is one?
     
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    I don't think being reared plays as big a part you may think, many people could use this as a rebellion, I've been through afew phases not believing in God growing up. Why do people want to spread the knowledge of a God in the first place and why do others accept it as truth? God is present in all cultures. It could be a certain responsibility people are upholding.
     
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    iBrian Peace, Love and Unity Admin

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    Well, unless your belief is leading to destructive behaviour, why do so? :)
     
  12. path_of_one

    path_of_one Embracing the Mystery

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    What is interesting is that by being in a culture that has a concept of God, one's choice to believe or not is, no matter what, shaped by a concept of God.

    I find it more amusing to imagine not having a concept of God at all.



    I'll be a cynic here and say that in many cases, both behaviors arise out of a need for social acceptance and belonging. One spreads knowledge about God, and especially one's religion, to receive affirmation from others (converts and congregations) that it is a valid way of thinking about the world. Others accept it as truth because it affords a foundation for a worldview, which humans tend to need to function socially, and because it provides a sense of belonging. In many cases, people also have emotional or mental challenges that they feel improve through the structure of religion and believing in God.

    Of course, there are people who are not socially driven. But they are few and far between.

    Actually, God as a monotheistic idea is not present in all cultures. God, even as a powerful non-human being, is not present in all cultures.

    Nearly all cultures have some concept of supernatural beings, but many hunter-gatherer cultures have concepts of animal, plant, and place spirits and ancestors/ghosts without any concept of a divine ruler of any sort. This makes perfect sense, as these groups also tend to be small direct democracies without law or ruler. People are free to be independent, so it is natural this is extended to their concept of the supernatural.

    Gods show up around the time formalized central governments do in human history, first with pantheons (i.e., Greece, Rome, Egypt, Nordic, Celtic) and later with single central monotheist Gods (which happens to correspond to the growth of state-based governments, in which power and authority to use violence are concentrated in one or several positions of power, or offices).
     
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    I guess.. I'd like to see if there is an argument that can convince me otherwise. I guess theres nothing wrong with or not believing in God as long as your a positive human being (whatever that means). Maybe everything we believe is just an expression of our nature. In terms of religions and its relation to society this is quite true. God created us in the image of himself or vice versa or maybe both are true.
     
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    .....and that's why I never argue with Path of One.

    Nice post, Path.
     
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    You ever see two brothers fight over the same toy? You ever know of two engineers who compete for right to design a product?

    You did say you believe in at least some kind of God, eh? Or were you going the other way with this?
     
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    Tao_Equus Interfaith Forums

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    Because sin is too much fun?
     
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    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    *applauds*

    Status: Win.
     
  18. Postmaster

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    @ Dondi yeah I do believe in some kind of God yes. As I said I've a had a heavy religious experience, an icon of the virgin mary weeping an oil substance on more then one occasion, but it would take just as much faith to believe what I say as it does to believe in a God. But saying that even after that experience I still went thought a phase of considering it as just a mysterious happening and not associating it with God. I found God through my own philosophical insight. I believe there is someone there with a greater consciousness then anything else and I believe this being is absolute and since he's greater in all ways possible then us our interpretation of him must and does keep changing.
     
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    So the question is what brand of God to believe in? (i.e. Abrahamic, Deistic, Panantheistic, Benevolent, Malevolent, Transcedent, Immanent, a combination of these).

    Are you asking if there is an innate sense of God inbred in every person, apart from revelation?
     
  20. Postmaster

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    I'd be curious on peoples opinions on this aswell.
     

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