Obama - Teddy Kennedy
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I personally have no great admiration for the royals...
bananabrain
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and everyone knows what i think:
http://www.interfaith.org/forum/atheists-smarter-11951-3.html#post211829
to say nothing of the famous p.j. o'rourke quip made in response to sen. kennedy's "where was george?" speech made at the democratic national convention in 1988:
but credit where credit's due - apparently ted kennedy did sterling work in 1971 speaking out against the US government’s opposition to bangladesh’s claim for independence, as well as the nixon administration’s tacit support of the genocide committed by pakistan during the bangladeshi liberation war.
b'shalom
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http://www.interfaith.org/forum/atheists-smarter-11951-3.html#post211829
to say nothing of the famous p.j. o'rourke quip made in response to sen. kennedy's "where was george?" speech made at the democratic national convention in 1988:
but credit where credit's due - apparently ted kennedy did sterling work in 1971 speaking out against the US government’s opposition to bangladesh’s claim for independence, as well as the nixon administration’s tacit support of the genocide committed by pakistan during the bangladeshi liberation war.
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If he hadn't been JFK and RFK's brother, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
nativeastral
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The british media pointed out the meritocratic attitude of dynasties in american politics and elsewhere in the culture but credit where credit is due as l believe he did serve for long and well as pointed out in Obama's quote which surely must be stabilising influence in any politics so long as they do the work and effects are shown.
Joe Kennedy wanted Teddy to take JFK's place in the senate when John was elected president....but he was only 28, so he had a family friend step in for a year and a half and then relinquish the post while Ted ran against Lodge...once he was 30 and legal...
And we gave the Illinois gov hell for playing games...when games are exactly what is played by folks in power...
The capitol police always kept an eye on Ted when he was in town...
And we gave the Illinois gov hell for playing games...when games are exactly what is played by folks in power...
The capitol police always kept an eye on Ted when he was in town...
nativeastral
fluffy future
Just look at his history. The younger brother of two greats, both destined from the White House. John made it Robert never did. Teddy was the kid brother, in the shadow of these stars.
He was caught cheating at Harvard as a freshman and expelled. Joined the Army as a private. His brothers had done so as officers. This is said to have changed his view, very humbling.
Returned to and graduated from Harvard. Virginia Law School.
Mary Jo Kopechne at Chapaquiddik. This probably cost him the Presidency.
So as CZ said:
Right ? No, not the point. We are all fortunate that Teddy was able to make the great comeback. After his marriage to Vicky Reggie his life turned around. He had always been a dedicated Senator. Now he had his personal life in order. He was one of the greatest Senators ever. Health care, gay rights, foreign policy, Bork (Teddy Borked him
), civil rights, women rights (he was a feminist ).A great one !!
respectfully disagree....he was one of the annointed...he was above the law and due to his family's issues was granted more leeway than any of us could have been.
It is easy to promote a variety of great things when they have no affect on you and garner the votes to keep you amongst the priviliged.
He played the NIMBY game when they discovered where the best place to put windmills was in sight of his ocean front property...he nixed the idea...didn't want his view spoiled.
Again, I'm sorry not much good to say about self righteous royals that are above the law.... to me it is like the folks that say Hitler built good roads...
It is easy to promote a variety of great things when they have no affect on you and garner the votes to keep you amongst the priviliged.
He played the NIMBY game when they discovered where the best place to put windmills was in sight of his ocean front property...he nixed the idea...didn't want his view spoiled.
Again, I'm sorry not much good to say about self righteous royals that are above the law.... to me it is like the folks that say Hitler built good roads...
I assume you are talking about Chappaquiddic, if they had proof they would have pressed charges. There were always those jealous of the Kennedy's there ready to go after them
The great things he promoted had a great deal of affect on him. He observed his constituents benefit from his legislation. Isn't that the job of any legislator ?
And I agree with him, Cape Cod and specifically Hyannis is one of the most beautiful places in the country. Why destroy the beauty with a wind farm ? The solution is not rocket science either. Move the wind farm a few miles out into the ocean so no one can see it. Ut oh, they killed the hydrogen program, so there would be no efficient way to store and transport the energy. Great national policy vision on energy
.
Moving wind farms to deeper waters and longer transimission lines to the end users makes the construction and maintenance costs and transmission loss enough to be useless.... And the ocean is just as beautiful from whatever coast you are standing at....and to me....windmills slowly turning creating energy other than by coal or oil is downright gorgeous...but that is just me.
Not talking about Chipaquidick....talking about an overall ability to be treated differently than the rest of us. There is no telling how many times the capitol police picked him up drunk and drove him and his car home....I've heard numerous stories. And the little incident in florida, and Chipaquidick are the ones that have happenned to make the papers and are the tip of the iceberg.
My contention is that if every one of us was given that much leeway to be that much of a cad, that much of a f-up and still be givin the prestige, honor and werwithal to pass laws, influence the good etc.... he wouldn't be anything special...thered be a ton like him...but his royal clout allowed this to happen.
Again look what we drove out the Illionois Gov for, supposedly selling the senate seat....where his was given to him on a platter....it waited until he was old enough...just like harvard waited until after his 'probation' for cheating and then brought him back for his degree...
If only we all had that ability (btw am I talking to the same guy who wants gender parity/equality??? does he have no concern for this caste system, and why is he putting this male chauvenist pig that protects the rapist on a pedestal?)
Not talking about Chipaquidick....talking about an overall ability to be treated differently than the rest of us. There is no telling how many times the capitol police picked him up drunk and drove him and his car home....I've heard numerous stories. And the little incident in florida, and Chipaquidick are the ones that have happenned to make the papers and are the tip of the iceberg.
My contention is that if every one of us was given that much leeway to be that much of a cad, that much of a f-up and still be givin the prestige, honor and werwithal to pass laws, influence the good etc.... he wouldn't be anything special...thered be a ton like him...but his royal clout allowed this to happen.
Again look what we drove out the Illionois Gov for, supposedly selling the senate seat....where his was given to him on a platter....it waited until he was old enough...just like harvard waited until after his 'probation' for cheating and then brought him back for his degree...
If only we all had that ability (btw am I talking to the same guy who wants gender parity/equality??? does he have no concern for this caste system, and why is he putting this male chauvenist pig that protects the rapist on a pedestal?)
Politics is a brutal profession, Wil. I had forgotten some of the antics that "tricky Dick" Nixon played with Teddy during the early '70s. I saw an excerpt on CNN last night, about how during the early period of Watergate, "tricky Dick" tried to blame Teddy for the breakin in. They had some wonderful recordings, in Dick's exact words, of how he wanted to falsify the evidence to blame Teddy for the break. Classic stuff. The abuse happens on both sides. I do not defend either side for unethical behavior.
me neither....fact is there isn't enough time in the day to even try.