In the YOUTUBE thread, NativeAstral posted [youtube]zi7LdZwXCEU[/youtube] The end of civilization is something that each empire is aware of and wants to avoid. In Norse myth the Ragnarok is part of an eternal cycle. (You know we discuss this concept of catastrophe a lot on the site.) Recently BBC had an article about the Nazca, a native South-American nation that died because of logging too many trees. The Mayans probably knew about it. In a book Dragons by Peter J. Hogarth, I read that dragons in various cultures are often related to the end or beginning of the world. (Ever watched Dragonball b-t-w?) In Norse mythology, the world-end event is called Ragnarök. Imagine that the dragon is possibly a scary story sent forward by multiple cultures in order to warn us, (probably where they got the concept of the 'Bad Wolf' for the latest Dr. Who series. I wonder who writes those episodes. Hmm? The dragon type is like the bad wolf graffiti, found throughout time and space in Dr. Who to warn him against the robots). The dragon appears along with terrible destruction. Always in time of transition of the height of civilization a terrible decision must be made by someone. Imagine that the dragon symbol is there for them, to warn them. In Dr. Who, it is the Doctor, a Time Lord that is faced with the decision. In Christianity the new heaven and earth are intended to last forever, and the dragon is defeated. This is one big difference between the Pagan symbology and Christianity, in that Christianity does not accept Ragnorok as an unavoidable event. The Christian message of unity must have been very attractive to European pagans, a message of peace and hope. In effect, maybe one reason so many Pagans joined was they saw Christianity as an effort to bottle-up Ragnorok (sort of un-do Pandora's mistake). I think that peace and avoiding Ragnorok continues today to be one of the major factors in any religious decision. At this time, many people are concerned about some sort of terrible end of civilization. Our worldwide civilization right now is so big and strong that to a medeival citizen it would have seemed indestructible! Not so, because it seems that Fenrir's hunger grew to match. Apparently we cannot grow so large that we become indestructible. Ok, I'm done musing. What do you feel is the best way to avoid the end of our civilization? What is your interpretation of the warning posed by the dragons plastered all over the place?