The Word of God & The Marriage of The Lamb

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  1. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    The Word was manifest (Revealed) "In" Jesus. The Spirit (Word) was merged "with" His flesh at His conception, meaning God's nature, and wisdom, and essence was made present in Him. The Spirit (Word) is NOT a literal person, but it is the essence and Seed of our Creator.

    The Word, or rather Gods essence, nature, wisdom, and substance appeared and fully came to exist "In" man for the first time. Jesus who was the beginning and the first of the sons of God revealed the Logos "In" Him. Jesus was the "first" of God's sons, born (Begotten) of the Spirit (Word). There was never a time that Jesus was without God's substance, nature, wisdom, and essence (He was born with it)

    The Word appeared in the flesh of Jesus, whereby Jesus Christ (The anointed one) revealed the father (God) that dwelt in Him, i.e He revealed the Logos (God's Spirit). Jesus revealed the Spirit of our Creator. He revealed the nature of our Creator. He revealed the [Love] of our Creator. He revealed God as Spirit. John 4:23-24

    When scripture speaks of the marriage of the lamb, what do you believe it is referring to? Marriage is the merging of two opposites (Male and Female), whereby the two become one (A child). Jesus became one with the father. His flesh (By Mary) was merged with the Spirit (By God) thus He was born the son of God AND the son of man.

    In like manner, we are now being married to Christ who became a life giving Spirit. Christ's Spirit which is the "Word" (Seed of God) has been merged with our flesh whereby we are made new in His image .... as in a new birth.

    Jesus is the son of God, who represents the "Head" of the body. He is the bridegroom and we who represent the "body" are His bride and have been merged with His Spirit "Word" (God's Seed), becoming God's adopted children. We have become the adopted children of the most High God, just as we have become Jesus' bride. (Grafted into the Vine).

    Jesus was the first of God's children, merged with God's Spirit at conception, and we have become adopted children through the Spirit of Christ Jesus (Our Savior). We have been made new creations, born again in the Spirit of our Lord. The very same Spirit, which was merged in His flesh at conception.

    Jesus told us:

    "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you."
    (John 14:18-20)

    Jesus "has" come in the flesh 1 John 4:2

    Jesus came not to glorify self, but to glorify the Father who dwelt in Him. His will was not His own, but God's. "Not my will, but thy will be done". Indeed, Jesus bears the image of the invisible God; He is the first born of every new creation. (It's all God) Jesus has simply become our Head, our Lord, and our King. We honor/worship God by honoring the command of our Lord: Love God, and your neighbor as yourself.


    Agree? disagree? Why?


    GK
     
  2. soleil10

    soleil10 New Member

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    We can see in the old testament that through differents conditions made by certain chosen people, God could prepare Mary's womb so Jesus was born sinless as a second Adam separated from the fall.

    Yes Jesus fulfilled as an individual the first blessing that God gave in Gen 1;28. He grew to become one with God, reaching individual perfection.

    Jesus did not marry his mother. He wanted to marry a new Eve that God had prepared for him and start God sinless lineage

     
  3. iBrian

    iBrian Peace, Love and Unity Staff Member

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    Can you please provide the corresponding New Testament quote to support this position?
     
  4. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    Do you reject the idea that Jesus was begat by God, conceived of the Spirit?

    Please elaborate ....

    No, I think you misunderstand, sole. God was merged (Married) with the flesh of (Jesus) at His conception, thus Jesus became the son of Man, and the Son of God. He did not marry His mother ... Not sure where that one came from. :cool: My view is that marriage is the merging of two opposites (Male/female and/or Flesh/Spirit) whereby the two become one (A child).

    Let me try to explain further:

    Jesus was born of a woman (Mary) "flesh" and of the Father (God) "Spirit". The Spirit is the very same thing as the Word, who was with God and who was God. The Spirit or Word was given a male persona. Not because the Word is an actual person or entity, but because the Spirit (Word) is "God's Seed" or "Essence" See Luke 8:11 by which we ourselves (The Bride) become born again.

    Our flesh represents the Feminine (-) while God's Spirit (Word) represents the Masculine (+). The conception and birth of Jesus, whereby He became the Son of God came by means of God's Spirit (Word). Jesus did not exist prior to His conception, but God's Spirit (Word) did. It was by the Word merged (Married) with His flesh, that He became the Son of God.

    Jesus was both the son of man and the Son of God. The son of man because He was born of Mary; the Son of God because He was born of Spirit. We too are like Jesus, in that we are born both of (Flesh) and of (Spirit). Jesus' Spirit is God's Spirit. We enter into the covenant (Marriage) through this Spirit.

    Jesus "has" come in the flesh, even as the Spirit of truth. His Spirit (The Spirit of the Lord) is God's own; both the father and the Son are one in essence. God has arranged for Christ to be the Bridegroom (Head) we are the Bride (Body). The Spirit of the Lord is merged (Married) with our flesh, much like the Spirit was merged with the flesh of Jesus at His conception.

    Jesus was the first of many sons, and it is through Him that we become sons ourselves. All things have been handed over to Christ, who is the Head of the church (His Body). We are witnessing a metaphorical wedding between the Lamb of God and ourselves. Even so, Jesus has not always existed, nor was He incarnated like many suggest. He was Born like us of the flesh, but by the Spirit was He begat.

    GK
     
  5. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    ah yes, continually begetting the only begotten. However I don't believe he was the first...just one that made enough of an impact to keep the story alive.

    As prince of peace we can't forget the King of Peace....
     
  6. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    I suppose this is where we differ on the subject, wil. I believe that Jesus is the Lord of lords, King of kings, and that He is the Head of the body that make up God's "adopted" children (us). He is the First and the Last to be begat by God Himself. We (Our flesh) are merged (Married) with Him (His Spirit).

    God has turned all things over to Jesus according to my understanding. Even the Spirit of truth, which is the Word and Seed of God, through which we become "Born again". The Spirit of God is the same as the Spirit of our Lord, in that both the Father and the Son are of the same essence. I suppose I simply take scripture to heart, and lean on it in my understanding.

    King of peace?

    Gk
     
  7. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Come on now...he's in the bible...never born and never died...
     
  8. soleil10

    soleil10 New Member

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    Gatekeeper, I went to fast, what I meant to say is that God did not marry Jesus's physical mother. ( I was incorrect in reading what you said)
    Yes in a marriage, we have the physical and spiritual union of male+ female. What you are saying is that God married Mary. Please erase my previous misreading of what you said.
    To say that God married Mary and that we marry Jesus (men too) and are reborn as adopted children is very strange.
     
  9. soleil10

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    Brian,
    What is the kingdom ? . .how would Jesus have set it up had he
    been received and not rejected ?

    This is important. . .not to change the root of our faith. . which
    is the shed blood of Christ. . .Christ DID atone for our sin by
    his shed blood.
    We need to know his original mission, to understand the ultimate fruit. . .the mission for which Christ will return.
    Jesus describes the kingdom in analogies involving growth
    and expansion. He is alluding to the multiplication of a “Godly
    seed.”

    Malachi 2:15.Has not the LORD made them one? In flesh and spirit they are his. And why one? Because he was seeking godly offspring"

    The kingdom is to be established through Parents, a man
    and a woman.In other words, the mission of the messiah is Adam’s mission.To establish the three blessings. Gen 1:28.

    Therefore, Jesus was to take a bride and establish the position of Parents of humanity
    God is seeking a “Godly seed” . .a little bit of yeast placed
    in the dough. . . .a mustard seed that became a tree with
    many branches.

    Matt 13:31-33"The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. 32Though it is the smallest of all your seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and perch in its branches."
    33He told them still another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into a large amount[a] of flour until it worked all through the dough."

    Scriptural evidence of the blessing of Christ and his bride.
    Psalm 45-9 Daughters of kings are among your honored women;
    at your right hand is the royal bride in gold of Ophir.
    10 Listen, O daughter, consider and give ear:
    Forget your people and your father's house.
    11 The king is enthralled by your beauty;
    honor him, for he is your lord.
    12 The Daughter of Tyre will come with a gift, [b]
    men of wealth will seek your favor.
    13 All glorious is the princess within her chamber ;
    her gown is interwoven with gold.
    14 In embroidered garments she is led to the king;
    her virgin companions follow her and are brought to you.
    15 They are led in with joy and gladness;
    they enter the palace of the king.16 Your sons will take the place of your fathers; you will make them princes throughout the land.
    17 I will perpetuate your memory through all generations;
    therefore the nations will praise you for ever and ever.

    The essential sorrow of God has always been that of the fall
    and the loss of His lineage.
    This was Jesus sorrow in Gethsemene. He prayed for the
    cup of death to pass, not because he was reluctant to shed
    his blood. . . but because he knew that God’s lineage would
    have to be prolonged.
    The cross of Jesus was not the just the sacrifice of one man,
    but was the sacrifice of God’s entire lineage. Jesus sacrifice
    much more on the cross than what we have ever known.
    That’s why we have not been able to comprehend his grief
    in the garden of Gethesemne.
     
  10. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    I just woke up wil, so forgive my thickness here, but huh? Can you elaborate? Gotta go pick up my son ... Be back in a hour, or so ....
     
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    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    God (Who is Spirit) merged with Jesus' flesh and thus the son of God (A child) was born (Created). You view marriage only to be the intimacy between a man and woman, but it's less about the man and woman being intimate, and more about that which God Joins together. To me marriage is a literal union and merging of man (+) and woman (-) whereby a (Child) is produced. No, it's not procreation, but rather the very phenomena of birth itself (A new birth is the marriage of two opposite souls)

    To be born of the Spirit is the same principle but it is a Spiritual birth and not a physical one. God married (merged) "with" Jesus (Not Mary) at conception and thus the Word became flesh, just as Jesus now (Marries) merges with us as Spirit, whereby we are "Born again". It's not a sexual thing, but yes it is a very personal thing whereby we are made new creatures in His image through the Spirit of the Lord.

    GK
     
  12. iBrian

    iBrian Peace, Love and Unity Staff Member

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    You haven't given any Biblical references for the above claim.

    You would think that a group claiming Christian origins or at least the Bible as a major text would at least be able to reference its ideas to the text - but so far you haven't.

    That really begs the question as to whether the Unification Church has any relationship to Christianity at all, and if not, why you should continue to post non-Christian ideas in the Christianity section as no doubt this is going to be frustrating for the Christian members who wish to discuss inter-Christian topics.
     
  13. soleil10

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    Brian, based on all the posts or comments, and all the references/verses to the bible, I have posted before, I do not know how can you say that Unificationism has no relationship to the bible ?

    I just posted for you verses from the OT that speak of the coming Messiah and his bride
    Paul himself quotes the same verses (psalm 45: 6-7) in Hebrews 1:8-9. It starts by citing "But about the Son he says" ...and then he reads Psalm 45:6-7. . .thus Psalm 45 is "about the Son." (Messiah)
    Most of what I discusses is with references and verses from the Bible. The difference is in my understanding and interpretation.

    From Genesis, going through the human fall, then the 4000 years of history to indemnify the fall in preparation for the coming of Jesus, the evidences (pieces of the puzzle) are overwhelming that what I am saying is correct.

    It is also clear that once Jesus went the way of the crucifixion, his initial mission (marriage of the lamb) was pushed on the side. He even called Peter "satan" for trying to protect him from the cross. He said to Peter "get behind me Satan"

    For good reasons, Peter did not understand why suddenly Jesus was changing course. He was not proclaiming the imminent coming of the Kingdom anymore.

    Brian, if you think that my interpretation of the bible may offend someone or is too distant from traditional Christianity, I did suggest before that you create a subsection in the new religion section under "Unificationism". Either way, it is fine with me. I did not have complaint before. Did you ?
    I have been treating others with respect while commenting on their posting.

    I can post pages of bible verses why I believe, Jesus did not come originally to die.
    That is usually irritating to someone who does belief differently.

    If Jesus did not come to die but to live then ........

    Would that pass your litmus test on posting enough reference for my claims and my beliefs relating enough to Christianity?
     

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