Gulf of Mexico OIL SPILL

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  1. shawn

    shawn Well-Known Member

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    It seems odd that no one has posted anything about this.
    Infographic of the Day: The Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Will Be Bigger Than Valdez in 35 Days | Fast Company
    washingtonpost.com
    Oil Spill Pictures - Gulf Of Mexico Oil Spill Photos - thedailygreen.com

    It is, from people who are close, much larger than the media is saying.
    It also happens to be the largest oil deposit that has ever been tapped into.
    They are actually considering using a nuke to somehow close it, which is foolish as it is a 25,000 square mile deposit which has a high percentage of natural gas which is under oh around 160 000 psi of pressure.
    If this goes on for long it will destroy our oceans.
     
  2. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    I actually dreamt about this one last night.

    And the dome/funnel failed at first but with repairs successfully capped the well...not capped but contained....and for decades to come ships will be pumping oil out of that funnel for refining.

    I don't watch the news, but no hiding from satelites how big this is.

    Can anyone say ... Haliburton.
     
  3. shawn

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    A thing which has really bothered me about this is that they are booming the slick and hauling it away from land and then they light it on fire.
    This is totally RETARDED, stupid, asinine,****** etc.
    They spend all the effort to get it up from the depths, now it is easy pickings for a vacuum ship with a separator to just tanker it and haul it to a refinery ,....but no, they burn it:mad::mad:.
    It is not hard to recover it and is not more costly.
    Ahh but they are educated so stupid blunders like that should be expected.
     
  4. Pathless

    Pathless Fiercely Interdependent

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  5. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    I thought the same thing back with Exxon Valdeez...but evidently it ain't so (even calculating in the fuel created). It is much more cost effective to burn and scoop than seperate and filter...buring creates a residue a small fraction of the size...(so much for those carbon credits) and is easier to remove than the oil....which leaves much more by product. But I ain't no engineer...
     
  6. shawn

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    They are already expending fuel to skim the stuff with booms and corral it into a clump to burn.
    I think they ought to revisit that idea.
     
  7. Dream

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    I hadn't heard that the funnel had been dropped into place. That is good news. Are there 11 people still missing?
     
  8. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    I thought the funnel was just finished...untested yet getting ready to be shipped...me thinks you are referring to my dream, dream?
     
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    They have it there but they are still having problems getting it to seal.
     
  10. shawn

    shawn Well-Known Member

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    A solution:
    YouTube - Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks

    The Texas Land Office and Texas Water Commission successfully used 'oil eating' microbes to clean up large oil spills in just weeks. Microbes hunt down and eat the toxic oil and leave only a biodegradable waste that is non-toxic to humans and marine life. Marshland and beaches were pristine again in just weeks---not years like the Exxon Valdez spill. This is the answer to save the seafood industry and all the precious creatures we are about to kill.
     
  11. Vajradhara

    Vajradhara One of Many

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    Namaste shawn,

    whilst i certainly agree with the main contentions of your OP i would suggest that our oceans have a bit more resilience that it may initially seem. indeed, the Gulf of Mexico has had far, far, worse oil spills than the current one. not to say that this one couldn't eclipse the Ixtoc spill however.

    Ixtoc I oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    of course, the largest oil spill was when the Iraq army left Kuwait and set it all aflame.

    my point is simply that our oceans are probably not going to be destroyed by this particular oil spill.

    metta,

    ~v
     
  12. shawn

    shawn Well-Known Member

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    A few items of interest:


    OTI has product that can be used safely for oil on water, soil and animals.

    OTI (Oil Treatment International AG), leading in bioremediation and cleaning of oil pollutions: Bioremediation of oil spills on water

    Mode of Application and Action for oil on water:

    A crude petroleum oil slick on the surface of water following an accidental spill is dusted with the SOT 11 powder. The fine particles of SOT 11 disintegrate the oil film into fine microscopic droplets onto which the particles of the powder adhere by the process of adsorption.

    The SOT powder is dusted on the film of crude oil or its heavier fractions. The Oil-SOT 11-complex sinks finely dispersed to the bottom of the water body within two to four hours, leaving the water clear and free of oil. The fine crude petroleum droplets in the SOT 11 sediment at the sea bed serve as substrate for microorganisms.

    The oil is biodegraded completely within 3 to 4 months in situ, depending upon the geographical location and the prevailing meteorological conditions. Evidence of the processes involved is provided by microscopical examination and chemical analysis of the sediment at the sea bed.


    Another:
    http://www.cliftindustries.com/Bioremediation_Technology.html
    Bioremediation technology was discovered during World War II. During the extreme research and development in this period, the United States government discovered a technology and a form of bacteria that would degrade oil to a safe level, bioremediation. For decades the technology was categorized as classified until Exxon Valdez. As a last resort the government employed bioremediation on the Alaskan beaches in which there was considerable results.

    Bioremediation technology is the use and processing of small living microorganisms to metabolize or digest toxic, hazardous substances into non-toxic safe by-products. The microorganisms degrade, metabolize and chemically transform complex oil and oil by-products compounds into carbon dioxide and water.

    These microorganisms (bugs) are safe and occur naturally in the environment. This process requires numerous (million) microorganisms and can take as long as years to break down and digest the complex oil compounds. This process of bioremediation has now been accelerated through technological breakthroughs which are utilized in Oil Vanisher


    Another:
    http://www.rfwastewater.com/Navy%20Kenaf%20Absorbency%20Study.pdf

    Another:
    Oppenheimer Biotechnology - Bioremediation

    OBI - AquaZyme
    Advantages of Bioremediation

    • It is a natural and safe process.
    • It is cost effective.
    • It represents a true closure solution.
    • It is non-disruptive and non-invasive.
    • It can be performed in-situ on site, with a low profile
    Another:

    YouTube - SOT11 - New revolutionary Oil Spill Solution


    Another:
    Gulf oil spill: Kevin Costner donates 'Ocean Therapy' invention to clean oil from sea; BP OK's tests


    Read more: Gulf oil spill: Kevin Costner donates 'Ocean Therapy' invention to clean oil from sea; BP OK's tests





    And another:

    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Criminal Negligence[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Sufficient evidence to indict BP CEO Tony Hayward and other top officials for criminally negligent homicide in the April 20 death of 11 workers on the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig is already in the public record. Evidence gathered as a result of an emergency takeover of BP by the U.S. government may lead to more serious charges, not excluding the possibility of acts of sabotage by personnel of BP, or higher ranking officials of the relevant foreign government. The protection of such evidence is one among the compelling reasons for the immediacy of such emergency action.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]The testimony of the chief electronics technician of the sunken oil rig, Mike Williams, in a May 16 CBS "60 Minutes" interview, was already sufficient to open a homicide investigation. Since then, Williams' assertions have been corroborated and supplemented by testimony from relevant personnel and outside experts. Williams, one of the last men off the rig, who survived by jumping ten stories into the water and swimming through burning oil, had asserted the following points:[/SIZE][/FONT]

    • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]BP had been putting pressure on the drilling crew for several weeks before the accident occurred to make up for time lost after the failure of a first drilling effort which was pursued with too much speed.

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    • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]BP overrode the decision of the Transocean drilling rig captain, and ordered premature removal of drilling mud from the well, allowing the gas to escape, which caused the explosion.

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    • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]BP ignored evidence of a damaged rubber annular, which was crucial to correctly measuring pressure at the wellhead, and to containment in case of explosion.

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    • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]BP failed to replace one of two electrical controllers, known to be damaged, on the submerged blow-out protector.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Subsequently, at hearings by the Minerals Management Service and U.S. Coast Guard in New Orleans, the evidence of BP criminal negligence was further documented. In addition to the points already made by Williams, it was also noted that:[/SIZE][/FONT]

    • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]BP skipped a quality test of the cement around the pipe, despite warnings from cement contractor Halliburton.

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    • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Halliburton specialists also warned BP, in an April 18 report, that if BP didn't use more centering devices, the well would likely have a severe gas-flow problem. Halliburton recommended installation of 21 such devices, but BP decided to install only 6.

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    • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Jimmy Harrell, a manager for Transocean, who was in charge of the rig, testified in New Orleans, that he had had disagreements with BP officials on the rig before the explosion, and expressed concern that BP did not plan to conduct a pressure test before sealing the well.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]According to other testimony on the same subject, at a meeting 11 hours before the blowout, Transocean's crew leaders, including Harrell, strongly objected to a decision by BP's top representative Donald Vidrine, over how to remove heavy drilling fluid, which acts as a damper on the oil and gas pressure, and to replace it with lighter seawater. The rig's primary driller, Dewey Revette, and another worker also disagreed with BP.[/SIZE][/FONT]

    • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Congress released a memorandum on May 25 showing that BP's internal investigation indicated that there were warning signs immediately before the explosion that gas was bubbling into the well, a sign of a potential blowout.

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    • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Drilling experts also testified in hearings before Congress the previous week, that BP chose not to use a second layer of pipe, known as liner, a more expensive, but safer procedure.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Almost a year ago, on June 22, BP engineers expressed concerns that the metal casing the company wanted to use might collapse under high pressure, according to BP internal documents. The company went ahead with the casing after getting special permission from BP colleagues.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]It is also to be noted that BP officials were never held accountable for their criminal negligence in a 2005 explosion at the Texas City refinery which killed 15 workers and injured more than 170 others. Investigation showed that equipment at the site of the fire in the 50-year-old plant was rusted and unsafe, monitoring devices were improperly maintained, and, instead of a safety culture, plant operations were characterized by sloppiness and employee discontent. Despite a book-length report by an independent panel of experts, BP got away with fines and a slap on the wrist. Ironically, the bad publicity led to the replacement of former CEO Lord Browne with the present occupant, Tony Hayward.[1][/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Were BP not a protected asset of a President and Congress in the hands of the same British interest which rammed through a Nazi-like health-care bill, and a sellout of the Glass-Steagall protections against financial looters, the criminal indictment of Hayward and other BP officials would already have been served.[/SIZE][/FONT]

     
  13. Muslimwoman

    Muslimwoman Coexistence insha'Allah

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    The trouble with [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]the criminal indictment of Hayward or other BP officials would surely be the opening of the floodgates to future litigation. As the US has been responsible for so many of the worlds oil spills it needs to remember that whatever it holds BP to now is what the rest of the world will hold the US to in future.

    Not defending the oil spill ... the oil companies all over the world (and their government backers) have WAY to much to answer for but I have been rather offended by Obama's public comments re BP when I don't have to look hard for US company oil spills around the globe and those companies were not subjected to such derision. People in glass houses and all that!!
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  14. nativeastral

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    ...........Right on!
     
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    Is it better if he had said nothing? Does that mean a president could never say anything until all U.S. transgressions are rectified?

    I agree that U.S. corporations are far from innocent (Bhopal, anyone?) but when do we start holding corps accountable for the damage they create?
     
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    It does. Every country is free to ignore all morals and international law until the USA is utterly debased and impoverished. That's how this game is played. I've seen it over many years.
     
  17. Muslimwoman

    Muslimwoman Coexistence insha'Allah

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    I agree it is way past time to hold them accountable. I just think given the US oil industries past record Obama could have been a little more subtle and stated he wanted to set a new precident to warn all oil companies of how governments are going to tighten things up. That would be fair but to start slinging personal insults around has certainly knocked Obama down a peg or two in my estimation .... and I had such high hopes of him.
     
  18. citizenzen

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    You and me both. Who knew "Change that you can believe in" really meant "More of the same old, same old".


    I'll have to get used to shopping at Sackcloth and Ashes.
     
  19. shawn

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    So Bp is using massive amounts of dispersant called corexit, to conceal the sheer volume of the mess.

    Thing is, if Bp had a spill in the North Sea, they would be forbidden to use such a compound due to its inherent danger and toxicity, yet they have no problem with potentially wiping out all life in the gulf of Mexico through the primary problem they have caused and their feeble attempts to clean it and their use of toxic agents to hide it.

    Corexit is potentially even more dangerous for it can, in high heat situationsm evaporate and then be blown inland to fall down with the rain and it will kill, on contact animal, insect, plant and microbial life in high enough concentrations.
    Add to that problem the fact that the gulf is leaking more than crude oil, but large volumes of toxic and radioactive gas of a variety of kinds in massive amounts.

    I wonder how many people have feelings of love and gratitude for the people of BP?

    So if you have invested in Bp (those of you in the UK) enjoy your booty. It has been obtained by criminal action.
    Bloody Pirates.
     
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    I did, but nobody would listen to me. Instead, the dimwits voted for him and thought that a CHICAGO MACHINE POLITICIAN would end corruption and bring about transparent, open, honest, and responsive government.

    If anybody brought up his history, it was due to "racism", not realism.

    And now that he's in office, I have to ask:

    How is that "change" working out, Obamatrons? How much "hope" has your Messiah in Office left for you, Obamatrons?
     

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