Kundalini

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  1. intrepidlover

    intrepidlover Melchizedek

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    It is my understanding that the peculiar head-dress seen on statues of the Buddha represents the thousand-petalled lotus or crown chakra, indicating that kundalini is fully awakened and connecting through the crown chakra to the universal mind.

    Some of you may disagree with this. But if it is so, I would like to ask if this universal mind or consciousness is in any way related to the god in theistic religions.

    I am new here and I wish to learn all I can about Buddhism.
     
  2. Eclectic Mystic

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    Is this thread in the right forum?

    My understanding is that the thousand petals represent Samadhi.
     
  3. chakraman

    chakraman God save us from religion

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    couldn't say for sure....heard one "mystic" say he "felt like his head was stuck in the universe...!"

    i think the crown of thorns has similarities, but this more represents the short (3 day) period of awakening and hence pain of kundalinin opening the the crown, culminating in "resurrection" and perhaps samahdi and or the lotus opening as already put forward...

    this i believes makes them a vessel for the "perrenial wisdom", having experienced the fountain of truth! ;) i don't think any of this can be personified but if you had to, i wouldn't say god, but perhaps eminating from that stream...not that the "adept" becomes a medium but conduit of "non separation" in their own form and apart from it....a telephone....
     
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    I think it is.

    I think we're tapping into the same source and interpreting it different ways.
     
  5. Nick the Pilot

    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    Intrepid,

    I see the Universal Mind as being the same as the God of the theistic religions. But the Universal Mind is not anything resembling the anthropomorphized God and gods of the theistic religions.
     
  6. intrepidlover

    intrepidlover Melchizedek

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    Thank you. I would agree with that.
     
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    intrepidlover Melchizedek

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    No doubt. I wonder then why Buddhism is always described as an atheistic belief system.

    I think many of the differences between religions are semantic rather than actual.
     
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    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    Intrepid,

    Would you say the Universal Mind is a Buddhist teaching?
     
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    intrepidlover Melchizedek

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    I know very little about Buddhism and I am posting in this forum specifically to learn. So I invite you to tell me what kundalini connects to when it passes through the crown chakra.
     
  10. Nick the Pilot

    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    Intrepid,

    I do not see Kundalini as a mainstream Buddhist teaching, so I am puzzled by your questions about Buddhism and Kundalini appearing at the same time.

    Kundalini connects to a thread of pure energy which emanates indirectly from the Universal Mind. One name for this energy source is Fohat. It is said that this thread becomes stronger during each reincarnation, and is the 'substance' that ties the various reincarntion experiences together.

    Please note that mainstream Buddhism does not such ideas at all. I think it is safe to say that most forms of Buddhism avoid discussions on Kundalini and the like.
     
  11. intrepidlover

    intrepidlover Melchizedek

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    I am aware that it is not a mainstream teaching. But it is certainly within the bounds of some schools of Buddhism.

    Kundalini in Buddhism
    No. I believe Fohat is a different energy. There are three energies: prana, fohat and kundalini. I believe kundalini might be the equivalent of chi in Chinese.
    Quite probably. It is primarily a Hindu teaching. What knowledge I have on these matters comes largely from Theosophy which is based on esoteric Buddhism. But it is a "hush hush" subject because of the very real danger if it raised before all the bodies are purified and in harmony.
     
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    Intrepid,

    It is fascinating to consider the idea that prana, fohat, and kundalini are the three basic forms of energy, but I see it a different way. I see kundalini as a form of prana, and prana as a form of fohat.

    Certainly, most forms of mainstream Buddhism reject the ideas of esoteric Buddhism as taught in Theosophy. (There is also the theory that Tibetan Buddhism is the same as 'esoteric Buddhism'.) But I would say that Theosophy is based just as much on 'esoteric Hinduism' as esoteric Buddhism. I would go even further and say that Theosophy is closest to Advaita Vendanta. It would be easy to go still one step further, and say that esoteric Buddhism, 'esoteric Hinduism', Advaita Vendanta, and Theosophy are all the same. (There is no reason to believe that Buddhism and Hinduism are different at their deepest levels, nor are they different from 'deepest Christianity,' 'deepest Judiasm,' etc.)

    Kundalini is definitely dangerous, which is why talking about it is shunned by some people, as you have mentioned.
     
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    intrepidlover Melchizedek

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    I was cut off while trying to add to that post. It is my understanding that prana comes from the air we breathe, fohat from the combustion of food and kundalini is a super energy which is used unconsciously by people who excel in their chosen field.

    How is it that one person can run, say, 25 miles while another, with the same food intake, can run only a few hundred yards?

    Why is an operatic voice so much more powerful than a normal singing voice?

    This is my personal theory which I have never tested in a forum or any other place. I believe/suspect that super performers are using kundalini energy naturally without deliberately developing it in a religious sense.
     
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    intrepidlover Melchizedek

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    It was a real no-no in the particular lodge of Theosophy which I belonged to. However in a book I have by the author Murdo Macdonald-Bayne, who had travelled to Tibet to learn from the Tibetan masters, there is a simple exercise set out for safely raising kundalini.

    Because of its potential danger, I would never consider attempting to awaken kundalini until my body, emotions and mind were all integrated and healthy.

    However I am aware of the possibility of it rising spontaneously. I am aware of the possibility of this occurring to me in this lifetime, if the circumstances were favourable. I believe I would have to have my energies balanced by a female partner. And no I am not talking about tantric yoga, just the circumstances in which I might feel sufficiently stable for kundalini to do its thing.
     
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    I think this type of practice would fall into the Six Yogas of Naropa and should not be attempted without lots of preparation and or a good relationship with an experienced teacher. You can google "Six yogas" or "tummo" for more general information, but my understanding is that these are esoteric practices for which you need empowerment and that things can go very wrong if you don't do it properly.
     
  16. Nick the Pilot

    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    Intrepid,

    You said,

    "…prana comes from the air we breathe, fohat from the combustion of food and kundalini is a super energy which is used unconsciously by people who excel in their chosen field."

    --> My understanding of prana, fohat, and kundalini is completely different. I guess we just have to agree to disagree on this.

    "How is it that one person can run, say, 25 miles while another, with the same food intake, can run only a few hundred yards?"

    --> The way I see it, this is a function of prana. Some people are much better at tapping into their source of prana than others. You also need to factor in the twin ideas of karma and dharma, which allow one person to be fit while forcing another person to be feeble.

    "It was a real no-no in the particular lodge of Theosophy which I belonged to."

    --> I’m glad to hear it.

    "…I am aware of the possibility of it rising spontaneously."

    --> There are safeguards in place to protect you, unless you go messing around with it.

    "I believe I would have to have my energies balanced by a female partner."

    --> Now that is a very non-Theosophical idea.
     
  17. Eclectic Mystic

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    Isn't Kundalini a concept Buddhists would shun though?
     
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    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    I think the vast majority of Buddhists would not accept Kundalini as a Buddhist concept.
     
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    intrepidlover Melchizedek

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    My original question was about statues of Buddha wearing head-dress which I understand to represent the thousand-pettalled lotus or crown chakra, fully awakened so that kundalini can connect with the universal consciousness.

    So if kundalini is not accepted by the vast majority of Buddhists, what does the head-dress represent?
     
  20. chakraman

    chakraman God save us from religion

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    i would say it represents what you're positing it does regardless of who does or doesn't see it that way.

    also see similar in the egyptian head-dress with the snake coming out third eye chakra...
     

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