Neo Nazism

[IlluSionS667]

Re: Aleister Crowley - a fraud?

IMPORTANT NOTE: This thread is split off from the thread on Crowley here: http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432

You should also note the answers on the thread here for refutations of claims of National Socialism, as of here: http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1224

but especially towards the end of the thread, such as here:
http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1224&page=4&pp=15

Please note that the threads discussing the ideology of National Socialism - ie, Neo-Nazism - arecurrently closed.

After all - while Hitler oversaw the final solution with the gassing of over 6 million people, and Hirohito presided over an army that destroyed 10 million lives in China

Hitler's final solution was to export the jews to Eastern Europe, not to murder them. (now BAN OR SPAM ME AT WILL ) The idea that he wanted to exterminate all jews is false. He never ordered the jews to be killed, and the number of jewish casualties of the war (most died out of undernourishment of desease) was much lower than 6 million. But this is another issue which is very controversial, and this should not be discussed about in this thread.

I'm not familiar enough with the actions of the Japanese in China, during the war. I however urge you not to believe everything that is being told by official history. History has always been and will always be manipulated by those who are in charge.

aleister Crowley was claiming to be the most evil man alive...because he had sex with men and said a few funny words.

It was not Aleister Crowley calling himself the most evil man in the world, but others calling him that way.

Isn't that all Crowley ultimately amounts to? An angry man playing his sexuality against a prudish and prejudiced society that was so easily manipulated into outrage?

He was someone who believed man had the right to do as he pleases, without and dogmas. That was extremely controversial at that time. I wonder how much of the stories that have been told about him are actually true. The sex bits remind me a lot of the crap that had been told about the Templar knights, so-called witches and other people who were burned in the name of the church in earlier times.
Again, always stay sceptical to what you read in history books.

Ultimately, was Aleister Crowley's life without any other purpose than to play against the superstitious sensibilities of Polite Society?

He wanted to teach people how to lead a good and ethical life without submitting themselves to dogmatic thinking and without denying their own natural instincts.

 

[IlluSionS667]

Re: Aleister Crowley - a fraud?

Originally posted by I, Brian
"After all - while Hitler oversaw the final solution with the gassing of over 6 million people,"

This is going to be off-topic, but here goes.

Actually, it was over 12 million people, 6 million were Jewish. Don't forget the Rom (gypsies), the Jehovah's Witnesses, the handicapped, the mentally ill, the homosexuals, the blacks, the Russians, the Poles, etc.

Sorry. Did a paper on that for a class last fall, and I get a bit touchy about the figures and such.

I get pretty touchy about it too, as I too have studied the actions of NS Germany. And I can say that even many official historians deny the number of 6 million perished jews, and reduce the number to a max of 4 million. They did never put people in camps for their race, but for their beliefs, if these beliefs were considered to be harmful to the state. This is necessary for any new state, until the state has grown strong enough. The same happened after the Russian revolution. Jews and Gypsies were exceptions in NS Germany, as they were considered to be leech races, and people from this race were considered to inherit a harmful belief system from birth. While this theory is rejected by modern science, it was a theory that was accepted by many scientists during the first half of the century. Also was it normal to consider homosexuality harmful and a crime. After 1945, this remained a crime in the German laws.

Further, racism also isn't a part of national socialism but of the entire society of that time. All white people felt superior over non-whites, and this was supported by the science of those days. In the twenties, the KKK was at its height and the US had a seggregated society until the sixties. But they were the ones who were supposed to create a better Europe?

Also is there no proof that Hitler ever intended to murder the entire jewish population. In fact, all evidence leads to the conclusion that he only wanted to force them to migrate.

 

[Mus Zibii]

Re: Aleister Crowley - a fraud?

I get pretty touchy about it too, as I too have studied the actions of NS Germany.

I get touchy about Rome's failure to exterminate the Germans. Your national socialists were racist cowards who thought nothing of integrating after they sacrificed half of Europes youth to the cause of a lunatic. Want a ton of evidence to support this?

 

[IlluSionS667]

Re: Aleister Crowley - a fraud?

I get touchy about Rome's failure to exterminate the Germans. Your national socialists were racist cowards who thought nothing of integrating after they sacrificed half of Europes youth to the cause of a lunatic. Want a ton of evidence to support this?

They weren't any more racist than Americans of that time. Racism was a part of that age, not of national socialism.

Second, they were not cowards. The Hitler Jugend brigades of the SS were amongst the bravest soldiers who fought in WW2 - despite their young age and lack of experience - because they believed more than anyone else that they were fighting for freedom and the welfare of their people.

who thought nothing of integrating

You do not have a clue what you're talking about.

Want a ton of evidence to support this?

Go ahead. Make my day.

 

[IlluSionS667]

Re: Aleister Crowley - a fraud?

Yeah, I'm not going to waste my time on this. Sorry for starting it.

We can always do this in private or in another thead. Don't be a chicken If you think you have evidence to prove otherwise, just show it.

But yeah, this thread should be about mr Crowley.

What do you guys think of mr LaVey and his teachings... They seem to be very related to Crowley's teachings?

 

[bananabrain]

Re: Aleister Crowley - a fraud?

IlluSionS667 -

The idea that he wanted to exterminate all jews is false. He never ordered the jews to be killed

have you read the minutes of the wannsee conference? have you read mein kampf? i have. you would have to be either utterly stupid, or utterly committed to seeing the good side of the nazis. which comes to much the same thing if you ask me.

They did never put people in camps for their race, but for their beliefs, if these beliefs were considered to be harmful to the state.

oh, really? so if you were a german who had one jewish grandparent, then you automatically had beliefs that were harmful to the state? my girlfriend's father was sent to auschwitz and has a tattoo on his arm because of "beliefs" he had when he was 14?

and yes, the japanese in china and the turks in armenia and the americans and the native americans and so on; we all know there have been a lot of genocidal maniacs around in the last couple of hundred years. i still don't see why you're so anxious to prove that the nazis weren't all that bad and how the jews weren't all that persecuted. perhaps mengele's medical experiments were on how to remove political tendencies. and, yes, if you systematically and simultaneously put millions of people in camps and use them as slave labour while starving them, i suppose it's not exactly the same as shooting them in the head - it's slower.

cowardice can be moral too.

b'shalom

bananabrain

 

[IlluSionS667]

Re: Aleister Crowley - a fraud?

"i bow to the divine in you. when you are in that place in you and i am in that place in me, there is but one of us."

All that in one word???

have you read the minutes of the wannsee conference?

I've skimmed through it. Even official (non-revisionist) historians admit that there is no mentioning of extermination in the writings relating the Wannsee conference. They just claim the officials there used code language. To say it in your words.... To believe that, you would have to be either utterly stupid, or utterly committed to seeing the bad side of the nazis.

have you read mein kampf?

I'm about to. I have an antique special edition (for the 50th birthday of the Führer) from 1939 in gothic German writing in my posession. As my German is a bit rusty, I've bought a regular edition from 1942 in Dutch (my mother language) so I can read it, uncensored. I have not found the time yet, however. Still, why don't you come up with some quotes from Mein Kampf that Hitler wanted all jews dead and not forced to migrate? You won't find them, because Hitler never had that intention.

so if you were a german who had one jewish grandparent, then you automatically had beliefs that were harmful to the state?

Actually half-jews were given full citizenship and were treated like regular Germans, if they rejected judaism. Some of them even got rather high positions in the military or the state bureaucracy. It were only fullblood jewish people who were considered a danger without questioning.

my girlfriend's father was sent to auschwitz and has a tattoo on his arm because of "beliefs" he had when he was 14?

I'm sorry for what happened to him, but I think it was necessary to remove all (potentially) dangerous elements from society during the war. As this person was born and raised as a jew, he was considered to be a dangerous element. The US did the same with Americans from Japanese descendence. Most of these Japanese had nothing to do with the war, but it was a risk they couldn't take. It sucks, I know, but the Germans never started the war. They never wanted to attack England nor America. And France was not planned to be invaded for quite a while, and only because that had defeated Germany in the previous war. I do not have enough information on the first war to say whether it was justified to take revenge on France. Hitler had the right to take Sudetenland and East-Prussia as they have always been German territory.. But I agree that he should have left Bohemia alone. This however does not justify a full scale war as was launched against Germany.

i still don't see why you're so anxious to prove that the nazis weren't all that bad and how the jews weren't all that persecuted.

That's because I believe in national socialism. I'm not a racist, nor an anti-semite. I am someone who believes in the true meaning of national socialism : a right-wing socialist state based on natural law.

perhaps mengele's medical experiments were on how to remove political tendencies.

Mengele's "experiments" are a hoax fabricated by the Russians, for anti-fascist propaganda purposes.

if you systematically and simultaneously put millions of people in camps and use them as slave labour while starving them, i suppose it's not exactly the same as shooting them in the head - it's slower.

The starvation was unintentional. Internal documents prove that they did efforts to drastically decrease the death rates in certain camps. It was illegal for soldiers to abuse of kill inmates (punishable by death !). Why would they do this if murdering them was the real plan? I agree that their organisation should have been better though. But entire Germany was starving.


Why do you think revisionism is illegal in many countries and severely boycotted in other countries, and why does it only apply to the history of NS Germany and their actions? Why not a law for revising the history of Sovjet Russia? Why not a law against revising the history of the massacre on native indians? There's something very fishy about what they want us to believe concerning NS Germany. The false 'confession' of Rudolf Höss and the decreasing number of officially accepted gas chambers and jewish casualties already should say enough.

But again, bananabrain... This is all OFF TOPIC. If you want to discuss this further, please contact me in private or invite me to a self-started topic in the politics section. Thank you.

 

[Mus Zibii]

Re: Aleister Crowley - a fraud?

IlluSionS667 -

have you read the minutes of the wannsee conference? have you read mein kampf? i have.

Don't you know anything? That's all Zionist propaganda. Haven't you read the Protocols?

did you know that only an Operating Theatan is even allowed to know about the existence of Xenu? there are very few OT's in the entire organization.. mostly due to the cost involved in the whole process... nevertheless... Xenu is officially denied in everything but the most "classified" literature.

I was just reading about that last night. That's some crazy stuff.

 

[IlluSionS667]

Re: Aleister Crowley - a fraud?

Don't you know anything? That's all Zionist propaganda. Haven't you read the Protocols?

ROFL

 

[bananabrain]

Re: Aleister Crowley - a fraud?

That's because I believe in national socialism. I'm not a racist, nor an anti-semite. I am someone who believes in the true meaning of national socialism : a right-wing socialist state based on natural law.

so.. in effect, the gloves are off. the holocaust was incidental and the nazis were justified in their actions. presumably you admire the work of that eminently respectable historian david irving. and, like him, if the cap fits, you should stop being such a coward and wear it, as you would expect me eventually to wear a yellow star as an enemy of your state. as a jew you cannot expect anything but for me to regard you with horror and outrage as profaning the Divine Image. you disgust me.

but am yisra'el chai - in spite of your friends the nazis and their willing dupes.

bananabrain

 

[alexa]

Re: Aleister Crowley - a fraud?

Hi Bananabrain,

Could you, please continue the nazi subject on the other topic 'Any social darwinists around here'?

IlluSionS667,

Please do me the favor to argue pro nazi only on the other topic.

More I learn about Crowley, more I found him interesting.

Thanks a lot guys,

alexa

 

[IlluSionS667]

Re: Aleister Crowley - a fraud?

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In respect of alexa's request and the subject of this thread, I posted a reply to you here ---> http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12387#post12387

More I learn about Crowley, more I found him interesting.

He's very interesting indeed. Too bad that he's so antropocentric in his teachings.

 

[Karehndiujo Mohmid]

Re: Aleister Crowley - a fraud?

Your national socialists were racist cowards who thought nothing of integrating after they sacrificed half of Europes youth to the cause of a lunatic.

You get touchy because they swapped us around by the thousands in the earlier part of the last century. Our blood keeps us together even now.
1+1 etc.

(Not all of them were racists. Some of them knew exactly what they were doing.)

Racists are the front line, so to speak. Propaganda, their map back into Hell.



EDIT by I, Brian:

IMPORTANT NOTE: This thread is split off from the thread on Crowley here: http://www.comparative-religion.com...hread.php?t=432

You should also note the answers on the thread here for refutations of claims of National Socialism, as of here: http://www.comparative-religion.com...read.php?t=1224

but especially towards the end of the thread, such as here:
http://www.comparative-religion.com...24&page=4&pp=15

Please note that the threads discussing the ideology of National Socialism - ie, Neo-Nazism - arecurrently closed.