Who is God?

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  1. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    Please be as specific as possible --

    I ask because I'm pretty sure we will have a very broad array of answers here. I personally view God to be the sum total of all things existing, yet infinite in scope. Also, if you suggest that God is the God revealed in the bible, then please be specific about what that means to you.

    Thanks,
     
  2. NiceCupOfTea

    NiceCupOfTea Pathetic earthlings

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    God is to big for this :cool:
     
  3. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    Too big to be discussed and contemplated? Come now - Do you know what you worship, or do you worship an "unknown God"? :cool: Who is God in your view, NiceCupOfTea? Please describe who you view Him to be.
     
  4. NiceCupOfTea

    NiceCupOfTea Pathetic earthlings

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    if you could describe God then that would not be God.

    I have encountered The Holy Spirit, Jesus and God the Father but I wont attempt to describe them.
     
  5. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship ...
    You say you have encountered the Holy Spirit -- the Holy Spirit is? You claim you have encountered Jesus -- Jesus is? You also claim you have encountered the father -- the Father is?

    Who is this God/head that you worship? To me the father is the spirit of life, and Jesus is a man (Like us) who was graced with the Holy Spirit, or rather the love and wisdom of God, who I believe to be existence or Life itself.


    GK
     
  6. NiceCupOfTea

    NiceCupOfTea Pathetic earthlings

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    we can encounter God, this is spiritual.

    however if you can describe god, then thats not God.
     
  7. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    So does this suggest that God is "Unknown to you"?
    God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

    And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.


    Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
    GK
     
  8. NiceCupOfTea

    NiceCupOfTea Pathetic earthlings

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    if you say so

     
  9. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    It was a question --
     
  10. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    NCoTappears to no longer justify anything he says or actually partake in discussion. Especially not answer any questions about statements made.

    Now on this subject I shall partially agree, any description will lack the totality of G!d and limit G!d therefor not be G!d.

    Now me being totally anti-anthropomporphic I will provide my first feeling of G!d as quite similar to being a small child nestled in my grandmothers lap, curled up, warm, comfortable protected in her bosom. That is the feeling I recieve when I contemplate what is...

    and beyond...

    G!d is....

    omniscient, not all knowing, but all knowledge.....omnipotent...not all powerful, but all power..... omnipresent....that is exactly where that panentheism comes from.

    why do I claim a non theistic Christianity? because I don't believe in the thunder and lightning, the wishy washy split personality passive aggressive G!d...

    Surely not the G!d hates ****, westboro baptist, KKK, G!d that wiped out the heathens in New Orleans and uses earthquakes and tsunamis to do his bidding...

    No who is... no who.... no him, her, or it....

    Not G!d is loving or loves...but G!d is love....

    incomplete definition....G!d is all there is....in him we live and breathe and have our being...within us....

    bliss....

    washes over me just contemplating....I give thanx
     
  11. NiceCupOfTea

    NiceCupOfTea Pathetic earthlings

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    it was a statement with a question mark at the end ?


    so if you believe that to be true then thats fine.
     
  12. Thomas

    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Supernal Triad, Deity above all essence, knowledge and goodness; Guide of Christians to Divine Wisdom; direct our path to the ultimate summit of your mystical knowledge, most incomprehensible, most luminous and most exalted, where the pure, absolute and immutable mysteries of theology are veiled in the dazzling obscurity of the secret Silence, outshining all brilliance with the intensity of their Darkness, and surcharging our blinded intellects with the utterly impalpable and invisible fairness of glories surpassing all beauty.
    Dionysius the Areopagite: The Mystical Theology

    God bless,

    Thomas
     
  13. Thomas

    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    God is love (1 John 4:8)

    God is not all things, God is He whom brings all things into being, and holds all things together ... God is sensibly present to things when they relate to God, and/or to other things ... but there is no thing, nor any collective of things, that one can point at and say 'that is God'.

    God does not exist as an object present to the senses, nor as an object present to the mind.

    God bless,

    Thomas
     
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    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Another thing to bear in mind is the two streams of theological thought — the cataphatic (what can be affirmed of God) and the apophatic (that God transcends all predication).

    Traditionally the latter is considered 'higher' than the former, but recently the view is that both should be held together, each informing the other.

    God bless,

    Thomas
     
  15. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    What?:eek: Recent thought over tradition?:eek::eek:

    Say it ain't so.
     
  16. whacky43

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    You are so close here to the Truth it amazes me. I will give you the answer, but, first a little story about me.

    I'll keep this as short as possible. Let me say first that I have experienced what is referred to as Enlightenment, Spiritual Awakening, Kundalini, or what I call the True "realization of Providence". Anyone else claiming to have had the experience had better have a very bizarre and utterly "cosmic" tale to tell. They also must tell of the intense preparation and Divine guidance from the True Holy Spirit of a very feminine nature who exists in all of us. Truly Enlightened people are chosen, no one can receive it any other way. I did not ask for it, nor did I meditate, nor am I a religious person. I never went to church, nor do I now. I have always been a believer, and prayed all my life for God to reveal himself to me.

    Providence did just that in 2003. I'll make this quick. I have received messages from what I know now to be the True Holy Spirit since childhood, but, I really began receiving them frequently at age 40. The very short of it is the communication came in the form of "thought transmissions", not voices, and were coming from inside me from a very "Female" source. She revealed that I would know who she was when the time came. I was informed that I would be given a single "gift". That gift was interpretation. I had to earn it myself, however, and that involved gaining knowledge of Truth, and when I did, she would confirm it through an utterly cosmic "rush" of energy. She revealed that certain things were going to happen in my life as proof of Her existence, followed by a "final confirmation" when I was prepared and ready. Everything She informed me would happen did. I had to believe this because She revealed things that I could not even imagine would happen, so I could not have been thinking these thoughts myself.

    Shortly thereafter, I was awakened to an unbelievable vision. I won't detail it, but here is what I learned and saw.

    1. Heaven involves the planets. The Mormons are right. We becomes "stars" with our own planet and a feeling that surpasses any orgasm one could ever have. Unbelievable bliss. I didn't see those 1000 wives, but, I did have a feeling of joy and energy that I cannot describe.

    2. An "out of body" experience which horrified me. It involved the Jesus story. I was taken into space, and informed that I existed in everyone, everywhere throughout history, and asked where I wanted to go. After answering that I wanted to go back and be Jesus at His crucifixion, I was told "No, you can't go there. I did not happen that way. Something's wrong. I then saw a single vision. A literal "burning sphere" that I immediately knew was earth. I also realized that I was suspended in the "outer darkness" staring at this literal "lake of fire". It was horrifying to think that I was being left behind for eternity, but I knew then that I absolutely had to figure out the Truth concerning the whole Jesus thing.

    So, for the next year and a half I spent nearly every waning moment studying all the subjects. Every religion, pagan and mythologies as well. I studied history, biology, chemistry, and went through the process of gaining Truths, which were confirmed by the female presence guiding me. The process of being "born again" is far, far different from what is taught in the churches, as is nearly every other doctrine or dogma of the various Abrahamic faiths.

    To make this as short as possible, one day in 2003, I finally received this "final confirmation". Standing in my friend's house after a golf outing, he left, and I was standing there when suddenly I felt this tremendous rush of energy, and a feeling of Love I cannot describe. Then, the light came down, seemingly through the roof, and not unlike you see in the movies or tv. Here's the quick of it.

    A voice came down and said "Steve, we know everything you have ever done, said, or thought so have at". Immediately, It all came to me, and I was so humiliated I started bawling my eyes out. I wasn't being judged, I was judging myself! And, it is the most humiliating experience you could ever imagine. Then, the voice came again, "but Steve, there is no one who can forgive like your Dad and Mom, is there?. The Mercy of Providence is the greatest relief and happiness you can imagine. To make this quick, here is a few things revealed to me at this "final confirmation".

    1. Salvation - We are all saved, eventually. Everyone, because we all exist as One Spirit. The Cosmic Christ Spirit which Jesus possessed as a man is the very androgynous duality of unity of our Divine Parent. We cannot fathom their essence, or know exactly "what" They are, but, we can know "who" They are, if we Truly seek them. Jesus knew Them, and possessed what He called the "fullness", but, worshiping Jesus as God, or making Him an equal part of an all boys club of a trinity, or believing all the stories that make Him out to be anything other than what He was is blasphemy. He was what He said, "the way, the Truth, and the Life".

    After I was informed these things, I was granted the gift of the Holy Spirit of the Divine Mother, the One who leads you to the Father through Jesus, but only through His Word, as He was not the Word in John 1:1. Study, and understand His Word, not all exclusive to four redundant gospels. Find them all if you can, because He served up the "good wine" last, which is the main point of the "water to wine" story.

    The gift I received from Her is a Word, not a "name". She is the Word, and that Word is Wisdom. You can call Her Mom if you like. The Father is also known as Word, that Word is Truth. Providence is not only unfathomable, They are also unnameable.

    Finally I will say that the gift of interpretation did indeed come to me, although, the Truth when presented, is contrary to accepted teachings handed down over the years by blind, ignorant men, then puked out on pulpits every Sunday. The billions of lost sheep will never Truly know Jesus, because it is the Holy Spirit of the Mother who grants Her Wisdom which then leads you to Jesus the Christ(anointed One), and She is not even acknowledged by the churches, who blasphemously call Her a "ghost", the spirit of a dead person. If one does not know Wisdom, he cannot know Truth, vice versa. Therefore, since Jesus was the "anointed One", knowing both, it would be wise to Truly listen to His Word, and steer clear of what others said about Him.

    To answer your question, The True Providence is the Creative Spirit, both male and female as is written in Genesis 1. The Father who Jews, Christians and Muslims worship is not the same Father Jesus acknowledged and worshiped as His Father.

    If you would like evidence from Scripture concerning anything I wrote, I will gladly provide it for you. This has gotten a bit lengthy. Sorry

    peace

    steve eden
     
  17. Thomas

    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    No, it ain't so — the apophatic and cataphatic streams have been evident in theology from the very beginning.

    God bless,

    Thomas
     
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    Who is god, what is God etc.
    John wrote "In the beginning was the word and the word was God"
    The Vedas say that the word is AUM (OM) and AUM is God.
    And there are many things we can look up and find out that God the creator was the beginning.
    If you look at all religions in the world you come always to the same conclusion there is a God. Now let’s look at the similarities of religion and see where we come from.
    We are created to god’s likeness and there we moved from the place of creation all over the world and formed tribes population areas etc. several items where taken along others got lost but for sure god gave people several chances to get back in track with him by means of different people through out the ages a long list to call up but a few of them are Mohamed, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Krishna, and the list continue and we cab place many in between
    There are practices they all use even the Pagans are part of this line up of believes look what they use when they are doing there religious works they using the similar items for the same purpose they all uses Secret writhing to achieve things in live and some of them are exactly the same just the language is different.
     
  19. Snoopy

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    Sure they do?:)
     
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    Do you agree then Thomas that we as humans can know "who" God is? It is my experience that we can. We can know "who", but, we cannot know exactly "what".

    It was in my experience that a nice form of worship is to walk down the street on a nice sunny day, and, simply look all around, and wave, saying Hi Mom, Hi Dad, Hi Sun, Love ya.

    Truly I say, the only begotten Sun of God is the Sun. That is the extent of any "trinity".

    Which brings me to a question. Why do you suppose that every single day of creation in Genesis 1 ends with the passage "and the evening and the morning were the days". All of them. Why do you suppose that is?

    Why also do you suppose that the only day that God did not "see it as good", was day 2, when God separated the waters above and below the "firmament" that He called "heaven". It was just "so". I'm curious to see your response.

    peace

    steve eden
     

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