Religion is not the root of all evil

Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by Sensei, Jun 30, 2011.

  1. Sensei

    Sensei Interfaith Forums

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    The followers of different religions have done many wrong deeds throughout history. Even in our time and age, it happens a lot of injustice in the name of religion. But the truth is that religion can be used positively and abused like everything else in the world. Some people are guided by religion, and become better people. But other peopleare misled by religion, and do wrong deeds. The problem is not religious texts. The problem is people who choose to abuse these texts to their personal agenda. For example, a person can use a knife to cut bread, which he gives to the hungry people on the street. Or he can use the same knif to cut himself in the arm, or abuse the knife by using it in a fight. As you can see, the knife is not guilty when it comes to how it is used. The knife is a harmless object. The person who chooses to abuse the knife, is the one who is guilty. If people do crazy things, you can not blame their religion. The followers must take responsibility for their wrongdoings. Whenever something bad happens in the name of religion, it is not the fault of the Quran, the bible or the Torah. You can not arrest the Bible, the Torah or the Quran. And no court in the world would accept this.

    We can not deny that religion has been abused by humans throughout history. We can't deny that wrong and unjust actions have been done by people who claimed they were religious. And we can't deny that even in our time and age, people in many religious countries, particularly Arab countries, become oppressed by people who claim they are religious.

    Witch Hunting, crusades and imprisonment of non-religious and people who were free thinkers, are examples of wrong and unjust actions that have been done by people who claimed that they were religious. In the past, many religious people tried to prevent freedom of speech, open debate, science and free-thinking in the society. The priests were afraid of losing power, authority and their wealth, so they oppressed people in order to maintain their unjust systems. But the fact is that none of the prophets taught the people to hate eachother, oppress each other, be violent towards each other, exploit each other, be unfair to each other, or do other evil acts. The Prophets teached people to be compassionate and peaceful. The prophets learned people to be generous, taught people to be fair, be moral, take care of each other, seek knowledge, and they wanted to unite mankind. So all the evil acts that happened in the past and still happens, in the name of religion, is against the basic and fundamental principles of religion. Some people claim that religion is the root of all evil, but that's a lie. No followers of religions have killed as many people as secular and atheistic ideologies like communism and fascism. According to history, more than 50 million people were killed by supporters of communism. Followers of Islam, Judaism and Christianity have not killed as many people as Communists have done. Therefore, if we use logic and reason, we will understand that religion is not the root of all evil, and that supporters of communism, fascism, and other man-made ideologies have been worse than the followers of different religions. The capitalist system alone has contributed to pollute more than all the religions combined. On the other hand, the religious Buddhists in the East, are some of the most peaceful people on earth. They do not start wars and do not pollute the planet like capitalist nations in the West. Buddhists show compassion for people and animals, and take care of nature.
     
  2. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    Strange thread title, rather, religion is the cure for all evil.

    Only, it isn't found in the organizations. How can a man that doesn't know the destination help you find it?

    It isn't even usually their purpose, your continued seeking pays his bills.
     
  3. bananabrain

    bananabrain awkward squadnik

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    with all due respect and speaking as a religious jew, both communism and fascism were and are effectively idolatrous religions, one of which fetishised class and worshipped the state, the other of which fetishised biology and worshipped ethnicity. this is not a great argument.

    b'shalom

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  4. NiceCupOfTea

    NiceCupOfTea Pathetic earthlings

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    religion is not the root of all evil but it is responsible for a lot.

    in the tradition that I have been involved in "The Spirit of Religion" is considered to be demonic, thus relationship not religion is promoted.
     
  5. Raven

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    May not be the root of all evil but I have one question. "Who started evil?" Think you will find that answer in your book of Genesis want you?
     
  6. william b

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    Religions are run by human beings. Anger and prejudice exists in the human heart. But humans write holy books that say "do not kill....except sometimes. You can kill when things are really bad and God sanctions it." So religion can be evil. It starts with people. People can seek the divine or they can seek interesting ways to justify killing. They do both and they put it in their religions.
     
  7. Snoopy

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    bb,

    is this the general view of religious Jews, a significant proportion or your own individual opinion? I ask because they are not generally considered to be religions in the usually accepted definition of the term; rather termed political ideologies.
     
  8. Lunitik

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    What do you think the word "religion" means?

    It means to re-bind... anything that serves to bind can have this word applied. Many take religion as the pursuit of faith in God but this is inaccurate and limiting - we are not using the word as it is intended.

    Another word with the same root is legion. Unfortunately, without the spiritual understanding of that which binds us, it becomes quite simple to create crowd-think. In this situation, each individual will simply begin to act as the whole is acting, it so wants to fit in that it utterly forgets morality. This is the danger of any and all organizations but humanity doesn't seem to have comprehended this yet.
     
  9. bananabrain

    bananabrain awkward squadnik

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    well, if you're the sort of religious jew that wants to defend religion from *all* accusations of genocide by using "whataboutery", that is the usual glib and self-serving position that is taken. if on the other hand you prefer a proper examination of the statement and the application of proper halakhic definitions of idolatrous behaviour (characterised by murder, theft, lack of morality, all sanctioned by a system of beliefs and actions to back it up) then both of them qualify in my view and as far as i am aware ought to do so in the view of anyone that thinks this through logically. in other words, it's the general view of "thinking" jews, whether religious or not, but not the view of chauvinists.

    lunitik - i have heard it said that jews have no word for "religion" in much the same way that fish have no word for "water".

    b'shalom

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  10. luecy7

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    Does a good recipe make a good cook, or a bad recipe make a bad cook? Does a religious recipe make a religious cook?
     
  11. Snoopy

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    Would you describe a communist atheist as a religious person then? :confused:
     
  12. Lorenzo Bermejo

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    great post Sensei, it was nice reading you.
    in fact, as the Dalai Lama answered in an interview when they asked him if he considered Buddhism superior to other religions, "the best religion is that which makes you a better person."
    blessings.
     
  13. Waymarker

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    The Quran says "fight unbelievers", and the Torah /Old Testament says "stone adulteresses", but Jesus says "don't you dare do any of that!"..:)

    As for 'peaceful' Buddhism, don't make me post that pic of Buddhist monks rioting in the streets again..;)
     
  14. Waymarker

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    Hmm... A career criminal's 'religion' is thieving because it makes him feel good, and a paedophiles 'religion' is abusing kids because that makes him feel fulfilled, so surely choosing a religion just because it makes us feel good is not always a good idea..
    For example Christianity can be a tough religion and christians accept this, they take knocks just like anybody else, but they realise pain is part and parcel of life, and Christianity gives them the mindset of being able to roll with the punch and to take the pain.
    By contrast, Buddhists are always trying to be happy-

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  15. Lorenzo Bermejo

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    I would say that most of our pain, inflicted to others or on ourselves, is our own fault.
    you've somehow "turned around" my words... I didn't mean choosing a religion to "feel good" but to "be good". Jesus is the example we should all be. his purpose in life was to show us the way to the Father, I totally agree on that.
     
  16. IowaGuy

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    Who doesn't want to be happy in life? Why is it better to "take the pain" as you're insinuating Christianity teaches; than to eliminate suffering as Buddhism teaches?
     
  17. Waymarker

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    Christians and Christian Organisations do plenty to relieve suffering around the world, for example I've helped at 10 charities at different times over the years.
    If monks (whether Buddhist, Christian, or any other religion) want to spend their lives shut away in monasteries chanting and meditating and trying to be happy, it's none of my business, but I personally am happy when I'm out there in the front line on this 'Battlefield Earth' helping people..
     

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