Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heaven?

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They are a way for existence to balance itself.

Good and bad also are in equal proportion, as is love and hate, war and peace, rich and poor, life and death, everything in reality is exactly in proportion, utterly interconnected. If you increase one, the other must increase as well, it is a fundamental law.

All must be dropped to find truth, because all of this is impermanent - constantly changing, in flux. Truth is that which is permanent, this is what I am trying to cause you to find.
In order for there to be equal proportions of something there needs to be an end to it.

Good <---------------> Bad

But it is not like that, it's more like this:

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When one thing is more than the other, that other thing is less. That is a fundamental principle of the objective universe.
 

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I don't agree with this, either. It only takes one drop of poison to pollute a whole glassful of water.

Your perception is very much limited...

That which sustains life is constant, now there is a greater possibility for life somewhere else to prosper. Of course it will look tragic if you are focused too much on the negative which has allowed the positive elsewhere, you are biased.

How do you think human population has increased? It is because of extinction and endangered species and forests being cut down, plant life decreasing. Life itself is always constant, because that which sustains it cannot be increased or decreased.

Exactly what do you mean by truth? Being accurate in representation, or Dharma/Dhamma/Maat, or simply "permanence?"

I have described dharma, dharma IS permanence.

This is exactly what Buddha has looked for, he has seen sickness, old age and death and has set out to find that which does not become sick, old and die - he has sought the permanent and found it. That finding is his awakening...
 

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It only takes one drop of poison to pollute a whole glassful of water.
A tiny bit of light in a world of poison enables the ability to filter and drink accordingly.
 

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In order for there to be equal proportions of something there needs to be an end to it.

Good <---------------> Bad

But it is not like that, it's more like this:

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When one thing is more than the other, that other thing is less. That is a fundamental principle of the objective universe.

Ok, in acknowledging they are one, simply drop, this is all I have asked in saying annihilate... you are saying the same as I am trying to present, and yet you are not moving on from it - you are intellectualizing it instead of going deeper.

Good and bad are perceptions, they are non-existent. Intellectualizing it is pointless, find that which is permanent - the only true being.
 

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Your perception is very much limited...
<---- see right there . . . if you could dispense with those antagonistic, flamebaiting, remarks you'd be truly enlightened.
 

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Your perception is very much limited...

That which sustains life is constant, now there is a greater possibility for life somewhere else to prosper. Of course it will look tragic if you are focused too much on the negative which has allowed the positive elsewhere, you are biased.

How do you think human population has increased? It is because of extinction and endangered species and forests being cut down, plant life decreasing. Life itself is always constant, because that which sustains it cannot be increased or decreased.
I would suggest you look at a much larger timeline to get a bigger picture.



I have described dharma, dharma IS permanence.

This is exactly what Buddha has looked for, he has seen sickness, old age and death and has set out to find that which does not become sick, old and die - he has sought the permanent and found it. That finding is his awakening...
Buddha taught the cessation of suffering, not the pursuit of Shangri-La.
 

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Ok, in acknowledging they are one, simply drop, this is all I have asked in saying annihilate... you are saying the same as I am trying to present, and yet you are not moving on from it - you are intellectualizing it instead of going deeper.

Good and bad are perceptions, they are non-existent. Intellectualizing it is pointless, find that which is permanent - the only true being.
Ok, let's move forward then. But mind you intellectualizing anything is only clearly stating what it is and is not, otherwise there is no place to move from.
 

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<---- see right there . . . if you could dispense with those antagonistic, flamebaiting, remarks you'd be truly enlightened.

I am enlightened already.

What I am saying can cause you to be enlightened, but you are too much interested in intellectual debates.
 

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Go through them all and allow them to disintegrate.

What remains?

Chances are you have allowed inward and outward to remain, god and self, object and subject.

Are these also dualities?

What remains if these are also annihilated?
Nothing remains.
 

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Nothing remains.

Again, no answer is correct.

If you go deeply into it, something will happen, that happening is enlightenment.
 

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I am enlightened already.

What I am saying can cause you to be enlightened, but you are too much interested in intellectual debates.
well, I disagree that you are enlightened. But that is a moot point.
When someone wishes to impart knowledge to another, insulting them or their integrity is a terrible way to approach it.
 

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well, I disagree that you are enlightened. But that is a moot point.
When someone wishes to impart knowledge to another, insulting them or their integrity is a terrible way to approach it.

I am not trying to impart knowledge...

I am trying to cause transformation, your insistence on acquiring knowledge is why you are not enlightened yet. I have provided how I became enlightened, it could have happened to you already but you will not permit it.
 

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Again, no answer is correct.

If you go deeply into it, something will happen, that happening is enlightenment.
Pffft . . . that I do not buy in the least bit.
By the fact that "something will happen" dictates there 'is' a correct answer.
 

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Pffft . . . that I do not buy in the least bit.
By the fact that "something will happen" dictates there 'is' a correct answer.

Again you bring in mind... this is why I said this will be of no use.

In the happening, you drop the question... now the answer is irrelevant even if you say there is one.
 

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I am not trying to impart knowledge...

I am trying to cause transformation, your insistence on acquiring knowledge is why you are not enlightened yet. I have provided how I became enlightened, it could have happened to you already but you will not permit it.
enlightenment is a personal thing, a subjective thing, it really only exists for the person that is looking for it and believes they have discovered it for themself.

Transformation happens every day, every minute, moment, what you do with it is what is important.
 

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I am not trying to impart knowledge...

I am trying to cause transformation...
A rapist, a murderer, and a thief, for example, try hard to cause a transformation, and try hard to NOT impart knowledge. Am I wrong?
 

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well, I disagree that you are enlightened. But that is a moot point.
When someone wishes to impart knowledge to another, insulting them or their integrity is a terrible way to approach it.
Oh, I agree!
I have my firefighter's gear ready. My paintballs are aloe-based, to assist healing from burns... :p
 

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enlightenment is a personal thing, a subjective thing, it really only exists for the person that is looking for it and believes they have discovered it for themself.

Transformation happens every day, every minute, moment, what you do with it is what is important.

Enlightenment is the transcendence of subject and object, how can it be subjective? All that experience, their descriptions are exactly the same in essence, so how can you say it is personal?
 

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A rapist, a murderer, and a thief, for example, try hard to cause a transformation, and try hard to NOT impart knowledge. Am I wrong?

How is this remotely relevant? Explain.
 
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