Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heaven?

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I know that I am not a computer or a car either, but it doesn't stop me from typing and driving. :D

In my view, you are like a rapist, a murderer, and a thief, with your understanding of cause. What you cause, is what you cause.

I have not said you will not use mind and body, but will you be identified with the car? With the computer?

They are interesting choices because body is the car, and mind is the computer... they are instruments, but what are you? If you can recognize you are not these things, using them is perfectly good and your usage will be benefited because less energy is lost - it will become far more efficient.

The problem is that we are utterly identified with these things, we have utterly forgotten what we actually are. Religion is the process of discovering again our true being.
 

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So then you must be a cling-on, klinging to your mind and body? :D
Well since I still have responsibilities in the here and now requiring a mind and body, yes. For now.
 

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Um, I would speculate that they were not created in equal proportions--matter was clearly in excess over anti-matter. If they were in equal proportions, our universe would likely be just a soup of radiation from all the matter and anti-matter cancelling each other out. I could be wrong, though.

Radarmark! We need your expert advice here!
If I may Seattle Gal, if matter and anti matter were in abundance, and close proximity to each other...we would not be having this conversation. In fact we would not even be primordial soup...:eek:
 

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Well since I still have responsibilities in the here and now requiring a mind and body, yes. For now.

Must you cling to utilize?
 

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The problem is that we are utterly identified with these things, we have utterly forgotten what we actually are. Religion is the process of discovering again our true being.
I find your thoughts on this matter with intrigue. I have a question: How does "religion" bring me back to God (the ultimate goal), when faith is already there, along with hope, and...and...love?:eek:

I'm curious where you are coming from.

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I find your thoughts on this matter with intrigue. I have a question: How does "religion" bring me back to God (the ultimate goal), when faith is already there, along with hope, and...and...love?:eek:

I'm curious where you are coming from.

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1 John 4:8 says God is love.

What is faith though? It is an acceptance of something without proof, a type of trust. Hope is naught but a positive projection into the future, what does this get you? Religion's purpose for me is a confirmation of what you call God, whereas currently it is a mere concept in your mind.

The culmination is the realization that you too are love, you are that which is the goal.
 

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My approach is to create a direct encounter... for me, blind faith is offensive. Accepting something you are told without experience is utterly naive, and the religious organizations have grossly misused this naivety. I want to remove this dependence in as many people as possible, and if they then try to do the same with as many as they can, something can really change throughout the world.

For me, there should be as many religions as there are people, but instead we go on emulating particular people of the past. We have a deep need for socializing and being part of a community, but today there are too many barriers - race, sex, religion, country, politics, the list is endless and each divides us a little more. I am attempting to destroy these distinctions and create a larger community, a human community. To accomplish this, all identifications must be dropped, knowing our true nature we cannot cling to any box, we will not permit ourselves to be pigeon holed and limited because we realize we are the whole, each of our being is infinite.

There is no "bringing", because there is no distance. I merely attempt to show all this truth... when it becomes widespread, antagonisms will be less and there will be a deep respect for all. Today, our identifications cause wars and all kinds of disgusting things the world over, there is no need for any of it. To prove our loyalties, we go on attacking anything which is different, it is absurd because there is no true difference at all.
 

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1 John 4:8 says God is love.

What is faith though? It is an acceptance of something without proof, a type of trust....
Not what my grand Dames tought me...

Faith is the belief in things yet unseen, and the hope for things yet to be...you forget about or disregard hope as a misnomer. Was that an accident?

Again you pique my curiosity.

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Jesus has reached, Buddha has reached, Mahavira has reached, Muhammad has reached, Krishna has reached, Nanak has reached, Zarathrustra has reached, Abraham has reached, Moses has reached.

It is perfectly good, but why is the number so few? Each person has the same seed which has flowered in these individuals, why do we declare a dedication to their experience instead of creating our own? Learn from them, that is fine, but people die never gaining anything genuine from these people, and yet even on their death bed they declare their continued loyalty... why?

There is nothing special about any of these men, nothing except that they have had a certain experience. It is easier to copy them than to enter into that experience though, it seems too much to reach to their heights so we just worship them instead. It is bizarre, the experience is so beautiful, the most beautiful experience possible, yet many are convinced it is some sort of crime to even consider it as a possibility.
 

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Jesus has reached, Buddha has reached, Mahavira has reached, Muhammad has reached, Krishna has reached, Nanak has reached, Zarathrustra has reached, Abraham has reached, Moses has reached.

It is perfectly good, but why is the number so few? Each person has the same seed which has flowered in these individuals, why do we declare a dedication to their experience instead of creating our own? Learn from them, that is fine, but people die never gaining anything genuine from these people, and yet even on their death bed they declare their continued loyalty... why?

There is nothing special about any of these men, nothing except that they have had a certain experience. It is easier to copy them than to enter into that experience though, it seems too much to reach to their heights so we just worship them instead. It is bizarre, the experience is so beautiful, the most beautiful experience possible, yet many are convinced it is some sort of crime to even consider it as a possibility.
But, I never said anything about Jesus...or anyone else...
 

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Faith is the belief in things yet unseen, and the hope for things yet to be...you forget about or disregard hope as a misnomer. Was that an accident?

This is essentially the same as what I said, I simply say that it is not useful... it is exactly a blind faith, you have yet to see - I simply wish to show all so this is dropped.

Hope is bound to lead to suffering, it is a desire for something in the future but it will never match reality. This moment is perfect, but in hoping for something in the future, you miss this moment. Same is true of regret, it is something in the past you wish was different. Always, mind moves between these as a pendulum, to find the present the pendulum must be stopped.

When you melt into herenow, there is no more these projections - they are utterly useless because past has died and future is not yet - now you are utterly present. This moment is the only thing that ever exists, that is the gift... why continue to miss it?
 

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But, I never said anything about Jesus...or anyone else...

I did though, to make a point... which you have apparently missed in this protest of my method.
 

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My approach is to create a direct encounter... for me, blind faith is offensive. Accepting something you are told without experience is utterly naive, and the religious organizations have grossly misused this naivety. I want to remove this dependence in as many people as possible, and if they then try to do the same with as many as they can, something can really change throughout the world.

For me, there should be as many religions as there are people, but instead we go on emulating particular people of the past. We have a deep need for socializing and being part of a community, but today there are too many barriers - race, sex, religion, country, politics, the list is endless and each divides us a little more. I am attempting to destroy these distinctions and create a larger community, a human community. To accomplish this, all identifications must be dropped, knowing our true nature we cannot cling to any box, we will not permit ourselves to be pigeon holed and limited because we realize we are the whole, each of our being is infinite.

There is no "bringing", because there is no distance. I merely attempt to show all this truth... when it becomes widespread, antagonisms will be less and there will be a deep respect for all. Today, our identifications cause wars and all kinds of disgusting things the world over, there is no need for any of it. To prove our loyalties, we go on attacking anything which is different, it is absurd because there is no true difference at all.
According to your no-opposite, no-dual program, disgusting is beauty. Then you separate them, saying that one thing is beauty and another thing is disgusting, and saying that the one needs copied and the other eliminated.
 

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According to your no-opposite, no-dual program, disgusting is beauty. Then you separate them, saying that one thing is beauty and another thing is disgusting, and saying that the one needs copied and the other eliminated.

Beauty and disgust are concepts and thus non-existential, yet they convey something so I have utilized them.

In reality, something that is disgusting is simply absent of beauty, they are not separated at all - just different aesthetically. You cannot eliminate disgust without adding beauty, they are related completely, and yet they are merely an opinion.
 

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I did though, to make a point... which you have apparently missed in this protest of my method.
But I am not protesting. I am asking you to continue...big difference.

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But I am not protesting. I am asking you to continue...big difference.

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I have nothing to add, perhaps you would like to provide a particular direction you would like me to comment on?
 

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Beauty and disgust are concepts and thus non-existential, yet they convey something so I have utilized them.

In reality, something that is disgusting is simply absent of beauty, they are not separated at all - just different levels of aesthetics. You cannot eliminate disgust without adding beauty, they are related completely. Your statement is simply absurd, you have not even considered it yourself it seems.
Yes the similar opposites exist in many forms: good / evil, love / hate, etc... It is interesting that you now favor and say you work towards something you call beauty, and to help eliminate something you call disgusting.

It shouldn't surprise you then that someone works towards something called good, over something called evil.
 

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I have nothing to add, perhaps you would like to provide a particular direction you would like me to comment on?
Ok, then that is all good information. Thank you for contributing.

I don't tell people what to say, or how to say what they feel.

1: it would be wrong
2: others who post here would take offense
3: God would not like it
4: I, Brian (my boss) would be furious with me.
5: you might gutch up and go elsewhere.

none of that is good for you, or me...:eek:
 

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Yes the similar opposites exist in many forms: good / evil, love / hate, etc... It is interesting that you now favor and say you work towards something you call beauty, and to help eliminate something you call disgusting.

It shouldn't surprise you then that someone works towards something called good, over something called evil.

I have never spoken against working towards good and away from evil. I have said it is absurd to fight with evil, because it simply doesn't exist. Evil is the absence of good, how can you be against it? You can permit good in, but you cannot remove evil.

Yet, again, these are both merely concepts. They describe actions of love and the lack thereof. What I attempt to show people here is that they simply ARE love, as I said earlier in this thread. If you can allow that light to shine on all aspects of your life, where will there be the opportunity for evil? If this can be achieved at large, love will shine the world over.

Yet love too is a concept right now, the devices I present can show you what love truly is - as can many others, of course.
 

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(it is the answer to "what remains?" yet this word "love" does not do it justice, it is too much thrown around, abused in society today, it also fails to convey the utter bliss of the experience and the very oneness or union which is the nature of it)
 
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